Roche Diagnostics downward spiral

They used to be #1 in the US and the world in diagnostics, then their leaders left, the FDA moved in and total incompetence followed. They continue to lose good talent and have mediocre products. And again as they did two years ago, they cut their customer-facing departments, while continuing to be so top-heavy they keep falling over themselves.The most recent reduction of 200 has established Roche as probably the only $1billion organization that does not have a true customer service department, or leader. Instead of going from "good to great", they've gone from "great to desperate".

That is the swiss way: no

That is the swiss way: no kiss first and no lubrication before. Now bend over!

Any other FSRs feel like they

Any other FSRs feel like they are getting hosed with the realignment of the Service regions to match Sales? I think that if Sales is that fucked up then why should Service be the ones doing the changing? Of course, the word from the brass is now "We made our decision without asking you. Shut up." Great. Now I get a manager who won't even be living in the Region and according to the latest PPC numbers is in a tie for last place.

The new leadership and that's

The new leadership and that's a joke, has plans to get rid of all, all the existing management. First all the AD's, next are the RBM's. They think that they can take monkeys, give them a sales system and they will all be "rock-stars". Obviously they felt that none of the RBM's were capable of career advancement hence the group of new AD's. I hear that there isn't a talented, experienced, capable one in the bunch. Too bad the competition is in such disarray and won't be able to take advantage.
Guys and gals let me assure you that there is life after roche.

"You guys are too deep and

"You guys are too deep and missing "the forest".
Layoffs and job loses are bummers no matter when.
Tday and Christmas make it tough.
Nobody wants to believe that we live paycheck to paycheck.
Ask the fired AD's how big that house payment looks now.
Condolences to all that have to deal with this..."

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Each individual must provide his own protection. I am in Sales, but I still maintain my active Med Tech license and do networking in "related industries" such as Healthcare Information Systems, Surgical Devices, Bio-pharma. I belong to professional groups and stay in contact with my college alumni society. Companies don't care about employees, thus, protect yourself.

"Does anyone have actual

"Does anyone have actual knowledge that SS's wife is in fact related to the family and that this in any way played into the decision to name him CEO. Roche has for many years had professional managers who are not part of the family-don't see why that would change now. This seems like an urban myth"

Why does it matter? Roche is a big company with a lot to lose with whomever is in charge. If the board decides he is not doing his job he will be fired. Same would happen if he was Jesus Christ!

Does anyone have actual

Does anyone have actual knowledge that SS's wife is in fact related to the family and that this in any way played into the decision to name him CEO. Roche has for many years had professional managers who are not part of the family-don't see why that would change now. This seems like an urban myth-

You guys are too deep and

You guys are too deep and missing "the forest".
Layoffs and job loses are bummers no matter when.
Tday and Christmas make it tough.
Nobody wants to believe that we live paycheck to paycheck.
Ask the fired AD's how big that house payment looks now.
Condolences to all that have to deal with this...

"SS and JP have been

"SS and JP have been transparent about this process all year long. Knew it was coming."

Is it fair to say that SS has been transparent by saying he screwed up the crown jewel of U.S. biotech so badly that he now has to inflict painful RIFs because he is incompetent? Has SS been transparent by indicating that his only qualification to be in the position he is in is his wife's family lineage and not his business acumen, maturity or knowledge?

SS is the genius that spent

SS is the genius that spent billions on buying Genentech, just in time for the US government & health care providers to limit coverage on the expensive new oncology drugs that Roche markets. This allows SS to declare "Vee are in a position of strength und vee have a strong portfolio" (and SS has zero accountability to shareholders).

the issue is overall bad

the issue is overall bad management within Roche at the top(checked the stock performance)?, and the continuing under performance of Indy relative to the rest of Roche.

It wasn't too long ago that a career could be made at RDC Indy, since then it is fear and trying to hold on to your job.

Lots of idle, uninformed

Lots of idle, uninformed speculation tainted by sour grapes about Roche and Indy here. Would not take any of it too seriously. SS and JP have been transparent about this process all year long. Knew it was coming.

"It is interesting to watch

"It is interesting to watch this post and see the continued bashing of Roche Indy. If the rumors here were correct even 5% of the time, Roch Indy should be a ghost town by now, and yet I drove by there yesterday and the parking lot was still full. Roche announces 6300 jobs being cut or moved, and not a mention of Indy. It is now quite obvious that all of this Indy bashing is just that, bashing by people who obviously have zero inside knowledge and are only interested in spreading false rumors"

A. This is called the rumor mill. Right?
B. Check the press release again...DX will be impacted.
C. Parking lot is full...that's a strong argument for DX doing great with that line of investigation. Glad your "drive by" is proof that the Indy campus is thriving and these rumors are so off-base.
D. My post stated small numbers picked off; not a full shuttering.

In my opinion, you sound like management at Roche. That's fine, but look around at Pharma results to understand that their drop will impact you substantially and realize that the decline in specific meds and the FDA approval process will trickle down to you. Consider this; if Roche Group is doing so well, and you are so secure in your job (with a full parking lot), why are thousands of employees losing their jobs? They probably thought the same thing as you.

Excellent work always good to

Excellent work always good to come across a really thoughtful site - I've bookmarked it.

Severin and all of those boys

Severin and all of those boys in Basel are starting to get a twitch. Thousands more will be impacted in 2011. Wait and see.

Could not agree more! The fruit of Severin's "insight and leadership" will be felt even more keenly in 2011 with continuing decline in performance of the Roche Group. He will "lead" by flogging the employee base more and cutting his way to profitability all the while ignoring the fact that true leadership drives the growth engine that is required for a healthy business.

It is interresting to watch

It is interresting to watch this post and see the continued bashing of Roche Indy. If the rumors here were correct even 5% of the time, Roch Indy should be a ghost town by now, and yet I drove by there yesterday and the parking lot was still full. Roche announces 6300 jobs being cut or moved, and not a mention of Indy. It is now quite obvious that all of this Indy bashing is just that, bashing by people who obviously have zero inside knowledge and are only interested in spreading false rumors. Maybe we should start a hot rumor about Roche Germany?

Cuts will be seen in the back

Cuts will be seen in the back office areas that continue to be unimpressive. Think contracting and other areas where there is absolute incompetence at all levels of management and the worker bees who check facebook more often than their SAP reports. Others will be picked off one or two at a time. The distribution areas will remain pretty much untouched as Roche group will continue to utilize Indy's location and the expanding FedEx hub will serve them for years to come.

Roche group made their decisions long ago about Indy. That's why you see the vacancy in leadership (when there was some) and the half baked approach in this division. Severin and all of those boys in Basel are starting to get a twitch. Thousands more will be impacted in 2011. Wait and see.

I understand that Indy has

I understand that Indy has been an on-going "target" since 2006 for reductions and scaling back operations. I don't believe this announcement is going to add any fuel to the fire.

Is there any indication

Is there any indication whether Indy will be effected by announced layoff plans. It appears as if Dx will feel limited pain. Is there a target for the Indianapolis site?

Roche said today it is

Roche said today it is terminating its efforts to discover and develop drugs through RNA interference, the hot gene-silencing technology that is supposed to be able to halt disease processes that are untouchable by existing biotech drugs or conventional small molecule pills. This means it’s the end for RNAi research at Roche facilities in Kulmbach, Germany, Nutley, NJ, and Madison, WI. The company is cutting more than 4,000 jobs as part of its global restructuring, of which the RNAi move is just one part.

http://www.xconomy.com/national/2010/11/17/roche-dumps-rnai-sends-shock-...

"You have to believe that

"You have to believe that Roche Indy will be wiped off the map except for distribution related functions. Even these can be outsourced to FedEx or UPS."
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Sounds like job cuts affect ancillary areas other than Indianapolis. Get your facts straight before posting dumbass.

http://www.ibj.com/leasingleasing-contracts/PARAMS/article/23162

Abbott, Beckman are clear,

Abbott, Beckman are clear, painful examples of a profits first philosophy going very wrong.

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Roche has just joined the group...who is next?

See news release on job cuts

See news release on job cuts today:

http://www.genomeweb.com/roche-restructuring-plan-includes-4800-job-cuts

You have to believe that Roche Indy will be wiped off the map except for distribution related functions. Even these can be outsourced to FedEx or UPS.

Big changes from a company that has a lot of troubles in it's businesses.

Can't believe that people

Can't believe that people like DF and BE are now gone too. What an absolute blood bath of talent that has happened over the last 18 months. Sad.

Talk to customers and you

Talk to customers and you will know exactly where Roche is going...

"Pretend the priority is

"Pretend the priority is anything other than profit for Roche or any other successful health care company--and do so at your own peril."

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True, they are companies, for-profit corporations. But how a company achieves solid profitability can differ from company to company and even from division to division. If the idea is to screw the clients, cut corners or to layoff key people every time Management has to make the numbers, then, is the profitability and reputation of that company who is at peril. Abbott, Beckman are clear, painful examples of a profits first philosophy going very wrong. They are trying to make adjustments to that philosophy, I wish them luck.

"...cares first, foremost and

"...cares first, foremost and only about the bottom line"

Pretend the priority is anything other than profit for Roche or any other successful health care company--and do so at your own peril.

It is about what you deliver to the corporate bottom line individually and collectively, net of your salary and expenses that determines whether you survive. This is the reality of today's job market, to behave otherwise is to risk putting you and your family out on the street. Do one likes it, but this is how capitalism works.

To the Latin America

To the Latin America scientist-keep it up! Your kindness and humility make you a better person, and you bless those around you. The issue is that the current leadership at Roche, under the direction of SS, has an elitist mentality and cares first, foremost and only about the bottom line.

In the twisted mind of SS patients are simply points of sale, and employes are mere puppets to control and profit from-they add no value to Roche, the only value comes from the top brass.

I left Roche over 2 years after investing over half of my professional life with the. The compassion, vision and heart of that company has been ripped out with the departure of FH as the acting CEO. Stand for who you are knowing there is life after Roche. This current management team has not earned the right to retain top, compassionate talent.

"It seems to me that people

"It seems to me that people from either coast seem to confuse a level of decorum and humility, that most of my midwest born and raised colleagues possess, with a lack of intellect."

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Welcome to the wonderful world of discrimination and prejudice. I am a scientist born in Latin America. I earned my PhD at a top USA school and currently live in the Northeast. Like the statement mentioned here I consider myself a polite and humble person. Unfortunately it is perceived as a weakness by some in my company. Too bad for them. I still care to say hello and really mean it and I still care to feel empathy for my colleagues. Nobody will change the way I am and I encourage others to do the same. We only live once, let's make it special.

I concur. As someone who

I concur. As someone who grew up in the "elitist" northeast, I've often heard disparaging comments about the intellectual heft of people from the midwest. I, for one, have found such stereotypes to be completely untrue. It seems to me that people from either coast seem to confuse a level of decorum and humility, that most of my midwest born and raised colleagues possess, with a lack of intellect. What a mistake that is! I'm proud to have relocated to Indianapolis and proud to raise a family here. For those who think that this area is "beneath" them and wrongly conclude that its people are somehow less competent, I say good riddance. Stay where you are, patting yourself on the back, looking down your nose at the Roche Indianapolis campus. There are a lot of intellectual heavy-weights here, who -- like me -- are secretly thrilled that you've stayed away.

the central indiana location

the central indiana location only attracts mediocre talent.
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This has got to come from a California based elitist. Typical comment from the state that can't afford to buy toliet paper anymore.

Simple fact is that talent will go wherever there is money and leadership.
I don't know that Indy is payoing all that well or that the leadership is all that great, but were that so the talent would be happy to live, and raise their families there.

This is fine, because if not

This is fine, because if not from Basel, all is mediocre.

"Indiana is perfect for life

"Indiana is perfect for life sciences because of low costs. Only an idiot like SS would not understand that. Why pay 10X more to have the same thing somewhere else"
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Great companies in MDx are build on their intellectual capital and innovation. Although Indianapolis is considered to be a low cost manufacturing location, the central indiana location only attracts mediocre talent. Couple this with the fact that the best people in RDC and Lilly have already left (both companies in decline phase), leaves the RDC site with at best 2nd string players and a future in distribution, not development nor other high value add areas (business development, global strategy) for the business.

The mold has been set for the future of Indianapolis, if you think you fit stick around, but if not RDC will continue to be a bad fit for your future and result in many posts at this site.

Indy was DW's empire, MM's

Indy was DW's empire, MM's empire, TO's empire and MT's empire and they all "gave it up" ....only MM voluntarily....

Indy is JP's empire. Doubtful

Indy is JP's empire. Doubtful he will give it up.

-Interesting that BP finally

-Interesting that BP finally "decided to pursue opportunities outside the company"

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Don't they all....

Interesting that BP

Interesting that BP finally"decided to pursue opportunities outside the company"

"Is he stupid? Yes. Is he

"Is he stupid? Yes. Is he stupid enough to dismantle Indy? Unfortunately yes."

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Then what? Relocate somewhere else where the operating costs are astronomical by comparison? That would be insane for a foreign based company trying to maintain a foothold in North America.
Oro Valley? Good luck getting a workforce there.

SS is a complete incompetent!

SS is a complete incompetent! He has never been in a position long enough to be accountable for the path of destruction he has left. Look at his stellar hiring decisions while head of Diagnostics: DE-now gone, The guy over diagnostics IT-gone. Move forward, CEO over Roche Group, he hires JS and MT-idiots squared and both gone. He puts in place the Roche people who now lead Genetech-now THAT is going well isn't it! A whopping 2% over prior year sales after he paid stupid amounts of money to own and now proceed to trash Genetech.

SS is a silver spoon, incompetent rich brat who rose to the top because he married into the family. At any other company, he would be an analyst buried deep in the organization.

Is he stupid? Yes. Is he stupid enough to dismantle Indy? Unfortunately yes.

The CB you know is not the CB

The CB you know is not the CB I know.
Wouldn't count on the right thing, either.

Indiana is perfect for life

Indiana is perfect for life sciences because of low costs. Only an idiot like SS would not understand that. Why pay 10X more to have the same thing somewhere else?

If you believe the past is an

If you believe the past is an indicator of the future...
Look at Ventana and their 20-30% voluntary turnover.
That HR genius (Megan) is now JP's HR connection at Roche.
Kind of surprising because she is a girl in an normally all boy posse(no pun intended).
Don't make waves and tell the truth about the emperor and his staff or you will find yourself in the company of the recently gone AD's.
Wait til you see who survives as RBM's.

Clueless btw! MT was sent

Clueless btw! MT was sent over specifically to close Indy and move ops to NJ. If you still work for Roche in Indy you owe your position to MT for refusing, citing excessive costs and damage to the organization. SS didn't give a damn.

Got google?

Got google?

Not smart enough to know who

Not smart enough to know who Captain Pruss is or what the flight reference is.
I stand by my statements, unlike most you meet today.

Right thing? yeah

Right thing? yeah sure!!
Other than that Captain Pruss, how was your flight?

Person A: "Typical Indiana

Person A: "Typical Indiana people. "you owe us everything but i owe you nothing, just come to work and collect a paycheck".

Person B: "You should not generalize about Indian people either."

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For those who don't know, Indiana is NOT the country where Indian people live. Evidently over-posting at is having an effect on some people. Get back to work guys, that report is due this coming Friday.

Must be nice having a job

Must be nice having a job that allows you to troll the internet at work. You should not generalize about Indian people either.

It continues because folks

It continues because folks have to post whether they are right or wrong about Roche. What else are they going to do during working hours, post notes on biofind, text others, call other, etc...everything but their job, period. You folks are very sad individuals who post here. I'm not even with Roche but just have to read to keep focused on my job. I'm thankful for the benefits and the pay i get. Pack your bags and find another job but that would be way to difficult. You'd loose because no one else would hire you other than a cubicle worker making minimum wage. You folks kill me. Typical Indiana people. "you owe us everything but i owe you nothing, just come to work and collect a paycheck".
Can't wait to read the posts after this one.

You really think it is "more

You really think it is "more messed up" than any other large corporation in Healthcare?
Who treats their people worse than GE, Beckman or Abbott?
You might be able to accuse Roche of buying sketchy technology and paying too much, but do you really think they are worse than others?
JP and CB will try to do the right thing.
If they fail, it isn't like there weren't many before them.
If that is the case, isn't it a Roche corporate issue?

It's amazing that this thread

It's amazing that this thread is still running with over 1000 posts. What a messed up place!

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