Bio-Rad LSG: Why doesn't anyone here talk about it?

Have they become that irrelevant in the industry, or are they that perfect?

BR canada is run by terrible

BR canada is run by terrible dead wood management right now. Who just pick up a pay cheque until they retire.

There is no strategic direction or vision and its a mediocre place for low flyers predominantly.

They need new fresh ideas, new management clear vision of how to be market leader instead of follower.

"Wow. Go to the LabSpace link

"Wow. Go to the LabSpace link below and read similar posts. BR even banned in some labs. WTF?"

What's the root cause of Bio-Rad's poor quality?

Poor management might be the key.
According to BC, LSG intentionally choose to make "me too" product, he claimed BR's strength is service and quality.

But being mean to employees (much lower pay than competitors), cutting corners in manufacturing (EX. outdated Richmond plant), etc. made Bio-Rad's product poorer than competitors.

Outsourcing was used by competitors to lower manufacturing cost, and still keep quality. Bio-Rad's management is just too imcompetent to implement outsourcing.

So in short, BR's LSG is producing craps at higher cost region (california), while being an infamously mean employer among bay area biotech companies.

One more:

One more:

http://www.totalrecallinfo.com/freerecalls.php?id=14831
Trade Name
Bioflex 2200- 665-1850 Vasculitis Kit

Manufacturer
Bio-Rad Laboratories Diagnostics Group

Recall Start Date
2009-11-06

Recall Number
51677

Hazard Classification
Type II

Model or Catalog #
6651850

Lot or Serial #
950759, 959261, 961363

Reason for Recall
Bioplex 2200 vasculitis reagent kits could produce false results when analyzing diluted samples.

And for just a bit of

And for just a bit of balance...posts from the same blog. Lets not kid ourselves...every company has its issues. I have had bad experiences with most.

http://www.labspaces.net/blog/548/An_Open_Letter_to_Bio_Rad___This_is_go...

Mon, Sep 20, 2010, 8:16 am CDT
OMG! That's too funny. I feel the same way about some vendors too!

Mon, Sep 20, 2010, 8:43 am CDT
LMAO! Epic! Don't get me started on ABI though...

Mon, Sep 20, 2010, 9:24 am CDT
Huh. I've never had a major issue with Bio-Rad products, although I've never used much of their stuff outside gel/transfer apparatuses and reagents. I've found their power packs to be much more reliable than the VWR brand. And their Kaleidescope protein standards are superior to Amersham/GE rainbow standard, especially if you're running tris-tricine gels. I've even had decent interaction with the tech support service concerning an ancient qPCR machine we inherited from another lab.

Wow. Go to the LabSpace link

Wow. Go to the LabSpace link below and read similar posts. BR even banned in some labs. WTF?

OMG

OMG

It sounds Bio-Rad's "cost

It sounds Bio-Rad's "cost saving" manufacturing practice finally worked.

http://www.labspaces.net/blog/548/An_Open_Letter_to_Bio_Rad___This_is_go...

Dear Bio-Rad,
we were talking the other day in over in the Biotech Discussion Group about shameless product plugs and I made a remark that was slightly complimentary about one of your products. This felt weird and I caught (rightly so) an unmitigated amount of shit. Looking back on our relationship, lets recount the ways your product has failed me.

1. Over the past two years we have had three power packs fail.
2. Received a cracked gel box.
3. Actually gotten a polyacrylamide gel minus the fucking polyacrylamide in it.
4. Two of our thermocyclers have failed multiple times. One of them having the circuit board replaced twice and the heat block once. And they still freeze up.
5. The software interface for our ChemiDoc imaging system is perpetually mad at the hardware like it used to date and now it doesn't call anymore.
6. The BioLogic LP and BioFrac fraction collector. This thing broke on day one and had to be sent back and forth to the factory for service twice

"I don't know about the Asia

"I don't know about the Asia management team, but Bio-rad is a great company with great people. Especially I heard good things about Bio-Rad Canada."

Too funny! BR Canada is such an insignificant part of the total revenue for the LS group. Their impact is pretty minimal. Canada does have some good people. However, the there are quite a few clowns too. For example AW in Canada is good for comic relief.

WE ARE GREAT - WE ARE GREAT -

WE ARE GREAT - WE ARE GREAT - WE ARE GREAT
BIO-Rad - Bio-Rad - Bio-Rad
YEAH..............

kind of self motivation monday by monday.....try it sooner or later you are brain washed!

WE ARE GREAT - WE ARE GREAT -

WE ARE GREAT - WE ARE GREAT - WE ARE GREAT
BIO-Rad - Bio-Rad - Bio-Rad
YEAH..............

kind of self motivation monday by monday.....try it sooner or later you are brain washed!

do any of you losers even

do any of you losers even work at Bio-Rad? Or have jobs for that matter?

I don't know about the Asia

I don't know about the Asia management team, but Bio-rad is a great company with great people. Especially I heard good things about Bio-Rad Canada.

Totally agree! Even in Asia,

Totally agree!

Even in Asia, the manager level is stupid. They like to hear everything sounds good even it is not true and they use these to cheat headquarter. It is said some managers have "very good relationship" with local distributors, they use Bio-Rad employee to do everything for distributors not for Bio-Rad company.

So they use people who have no ability but stupid.

So what is the latest at QSD?

So what is the latest at QSD? NEW HR, NEW ACC, NEW OPS, NEW RA/QA, WHAT IS NEXT?

More risky than bonds for 2

More risky than bonds for 2 reasons: 1) market 2) accounting might cook the book.
That might be why LSG can't found serious buyer yet.

There was something about accounting risks in their last quarterly statement. Makes finding a buyer even harder.

"Not looking too good for

"Not looking too good for LSG. Barely keeping ahead of inflation. The Schwartz family could do better selling the group and investing in bonds."

More risky than bonds for 2 reasons: 1) market 2) accounting might cook the book.
That might be why LSG can't found serious buyer yet.

The Life Science segment net

The Life Science segment net sales for the third quarter were $153.2 million, up 1.9% compared to the same period last year. On a currency-neutral basis, Life Science segment sales increased by 3.5%compared to the third quarter of 2009. Sales growth of the Life Science segment in the U.S. reflects strength in spending by academic and biopharmaceutical customers; European sales continue to lag due to weak economic conditions facing government-funded research. Performance of the segment benefited from strong sales of core product lines including the Company’s next generation PCR instruments, in particular, the CFX96™ real-time PCR detection system and associated reagents as well as the TC10™ automated cell counter, which was introduced earlier this year. Bio-Rad ’s Mini-PROTEAN®TGX™ precast electrophoresis gel product line, which offers high resolution and fast time to results is also continuing to gain customer acceptance.

Not looking too good for LSG. Barely keeping ahead of inflation. The Schwartz family could do better selling the group and investing in bonds.

"A better question, why would

"A better question, why would you even want to work for them? Me too, me too, Me too.
Because most of those work in LSG couldn't get a job at a company that's actually innovative. They're comfortable in their mediocrity."

Most LSG employees work for paychecks.
Most LSG managers are toxic waste that are specialists to turn any company into horrible ones.

"PFD is not me too, me too.

"PFD is not me too, me too. It's a junk science collection, SELDI for example.
Made by junky scientists."

To be fair, most scientists there are qualified professional. Junky part are managers. Those managers only mission is their surviving and promotion.
SELDI derived managers such as LL at LSD is a perfect example.

PFD is not me too, me too.

PFD is not me too, me too. It's a junk science collection, SELDI for example.
Made by junky scientists.

"A better question, why would

"A better question, why would you even want to work for them? Me too, me too, Me too.
Because most of those work in LSG couldn't get a job at a company that's actually innovative. They're comfortable in their mediocrity."

PFD is not me too, me too. It's a junk science collection, SELDI for example.

A better question, why would

A better question, why would you even want to work for them? Me too, me too, Me too.
Because most of those work in LSG couldn't get a job at a company that's actually innovative. They're comfortable in their mediocrity.

A better question, why would

A better question, why would you even want to work for them? Me too, me too, Me too.

Is Bioplex disappearing or is

Is Bioplex disappearing or is the product just not in demand?
The better question is why would the sales force want to attempt to sell a Bioplex instrument.

Is Bioplex disappearing or is

Is Bioplex disappearing or is the product just not in demand?

'If Bioplex disappear next

'If Bioplex disappear next year, will PFD be merged to LSD?'

Yes, and you will be laid off

If Bioplex disappear next

If Bioplex disappear next year, will PFD be merged to LSD?

I can't believe the

I can't believe the intolerance I'm seeing here

"Studying BR owner's

"Studying BR owner's education background, culture, etc. is unavoidable when it came to understanding of how they operate company.
This is the kind of anti-Semitism that amazingly still exists today. So you're saying that because of the frugal, money-grubbing way the company is run, it's because of the owner's religious backgound? I can't believe this narrow-minded mentality still exists in 2010.
"
Why frugal, money-grubbing is related to religious backgound? And why saying owner frugal, money-grubbing is anti-semitism?

Do you mean that if a Jew is frugal and money-grubbing, nobody shall comment on it?? It sounds racism is behind the whole logic.

Studying BR owner's education

Studying BR owner's education background, culture, etc. is unavoidable when it came to understanding of how they operate company.
This is the kind of anti-Semitism that amazingly still exists today. So you're saying that because of the frugal, money-grubbing way the company is run, it's because of the owner's religious backgound? I can't believe this narrow-minded mentality still exists in 2010.

LSG will be in big trouble in

LSG will be in big trouble in 2011. One of their fastest growing product lines will be severely hampered. You mean PCR?
PCR is also hampered PCR has too many royalties paid to LifeTech for LSG to make much margin.
Bioplex product line will suffer in 2011 more than any other.

LSG will be in big trouble in

LSG will be in big trouble in 2011. One of their fastest growing product lines will be severely hampered.
I take it Magpix is never going to happen at BR?

"I don't care what religion

"I don't care what religion morons are they're still morons running the entire company.

...Please cool it with the anti-semitic remarks. How the company is run or in the frugal way it is run, has no relevance to their religion.

*************************************
I agree, there is no place for anti-religion remarks. However, I will appreciate this same type of outrage is expressed when people make offensive comments about individuals from Africa, LatinAmerica or Asia. For some groups (like Jewish, Muslims) religion is the key, for others is the race and for others is their ethnic background. Hope some folks will undertand this fact before they purposely "confuse" the origins of a co-worker or make fun of their skin color. Everyone must be respected, including his/her religious beliefs."

Where are anti-religion remarks?

Studying BR owner's education background, culture, etc. is unavoidable when it came to understanding of how they operate company.

I don't care what religion

I don't care what religion morons are they're still morons running the entire company.

...Please cool it with the anti-semitic remarks. How the company is run or in the frugal way it is run, has no relevance to their religion.

*************************************
I agree, there is no place for anti-religion remarks. However, I will appreciate this same type of outrage is expressed when people make offensive comments about individuals from Africa, LatinAmerica or Asia. For some groups (like Jewish, Muslims) religion is the key, for others is the race and for others is their ethnic background. Hope some folks will undertand this fact before they purposely "confuse" the origins of a co-worker or make fun of their skin color. Everyone must be respected, including his/her religious beliefs.

You mean PCR? They might

You mean PCR?
They might start to cut staffs ahead to save on overhead.

LSG will be in big trouble in

LSG will be in big trouble in 2011. One of their fastest growing product lines will be severely hampered.

back to the facts folks, what

back to the facts folks, what is gowing on at the clinical diagnostic division of biorad after buying Diamed and Biotest?
Any news about new buying targets or is the assimilation process of the last two to tough?

Only in your dreams.

Only in your dreams.

I don't care what religion

I don't care what religion morons are they're still morons running the entire company.

Please cool it with the anti-semitic remarks. How the company is run or in the frugal way it is run, has no relevance to their religion.

Do I sense a tinge of

Do I sense a tinge of anti-semitism all of a sudden?

I don't care what religion morons are they're still morons running the entire company.

Do I sense a tinge of

Do I sense a tinge of anti-semitism all of a sudden?

In short, LSG is noly capable

In short, LSG is noly capable to barely hang there until being sold, or collapse after DS died.

"LSG managers are so narrow-minded that it will soon pass into oblivion.

LSG managers are micro-managers.

LSG managers have no vision.

NS sees no future for LSG.
BC is just there to collect his paycheck and leer at a few of the women, and I mean only a few because there are only a few worth a second glance.

SJ is in over his head. Product development divisions reporting to a manufacturing manager, huh?

SH, TT, BK, AT are all too busy trying to protect their turf rather than serve the customers well."

happy new year

happy new year

LSG managers are so

LSG managers are so narrow-minded that it will soon pass into oblivion.

LSG managers are micro-managers.

LSG managers have no vision.

NS sees no future for LSG.
BC is just there to collect his paycheck and leer at a few of the women, and I mean only a few because there are only a few worth a second glance.

SJ is in over his head. Product development divisions reporting to a manufacturing manager, huh?

SH, TT, BK, AT are all too busy trying to protect their turf rather than serve the customers well.

What will happen after DS

What will happen after DS pass away?
According to Jewish law:
The eldest son, if firt born, is entitled to a share of the estate that is twice that of his brother. If there are four brothers, for example, the eldest would receive 40 per cent of the inheritance and the other three would get 20 per cent each

Apparently, other borthers will not be able to manage either CDG or LSG.
So NS will get twice portion as his brothers. Will they sell Bio-Rad then divide cash?

obsolete opinions and out of

obsolete opinions and out of touch mgrs abound at all levels

Even if there were only 5

Even if there were only 5 life science co's they still rank dead last, 5th place.

Are you saying Whatman is

Are you saying Whatman is crappy?

OMG the LSG corporate

OMG the LSG corporate overview says that Bio-Rad ranks in the top 5 life science companies worldwide. LOL. That hasn't been the case for years. LSG got left in the dust about ten years ago. I'd be surprised if they're in the top 20.

There are five life science suppliers left? I thought all the good companies were bought by Invitrogen and the crappy ones were bought out by GE.

"OMG the LSG corporate

"OMG the LSG corporate overview says that Bio-Rad ranks in the top 5 life science companies worldwide. LOL. That hasn't been the case for years. LSG got left in the dust about ten years ago. I'd be surprised if they're in the top 20.

Source: http://www.bio-rad.com/webroot/web/pdf/corporate/literature/fact_sheet_L...

"

BC has to find excuses to justify his top 1 or 2 income.

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