Bio-Rad LSG: Why doesn't anyone here talk about it?

Have they become that irrelevant in the industry, or are they that perfect?

PFD=Borg JS=Borg queen you

PFD=Borg
JS=Borg queen

you will be assimiliated, resistance is futile

No Q2 layoff so far. But

No Q2 layoff so far. But cancellation of BBQ. What really happened? And what will happen next?

How's BR QSD division holding

How's BR QSD division holding up in the storm?

"I've seen it all now,

"I've seen it all now, managers forcing their manager to falsify personnel reviews..."

I have worked for a number of companies over many years and, without exception, always received excellent reviews. After taking a job with Bio-Rad, I could absolutely not believe it when my first annual review was extremely poor and based on fabricated premises. In fact, my immediate response was to ask if somehow my review got mixed up with somebody else's. Shortly afterwards, it became clear that the whole thing was a set-up in order to bring in some buddies of one of the managers. Although I know that I played right into the manager's hands, I left Bio-Rad as quickly as possible to join another company. So much for ethics!

SELDI instruments are no

SELDI instruments are no longer being manufactured and are effectively discontinued, so LSG is attempting to kill the business, but they just need to make the clean break and do it. Like a band-aid, rip it off quickly and get it over with.

BR management are dishonest and only out for themselves, not the company or their employees. Logical, since most likely no one else will hire them.

I've seen it all now, managers forcing their manager to falsify personnel reviews, firing of the more competent r&D personnel, backstabbing by BC in order to put his people in place, managers from the outside replacing every one of their reports in order to have a bunch of yes-men surrounding them, and the sliminess from LC (HR manager) just getting worse. LC just needs to crawl back under the rock where he was hatched.

In another twelve months, LSG will just implode.

To generalized Bio-Rad's

To generalized Bio-Rad's management style, oe word might fits all:
DISHONEST

Take Seldi or example, the scientist who evaluate it before acquisition reported to management that SELDI was pseudoscience.
Management ignored it and went ahead to buy SELDI. The scientist was laid off later.

Will BC cut off SELDI now? Very unlikely, it will equal to admit that the acquisition was a wrong decision.

"Top Managers Who Should Be

"Top Managers Who Should Be Held Accountable
PC -No plan, vision, or clue. Running the NA organization into the ground. He is repeating his history of failure.
DH -Phony, spin doctor, two-faced weasel that attempts to show leadership, but only cares about himself
JS -Major ego that knows business, but does not the business he is supposed to be running.
AT -Really not effectively running her organization. Long time employee with limited business sense.
SH -Been there too long to see outside of herself. Too much focus on politics and herself to be effective.
BC -This guy has no business running life sciences. He is in this position only because he spent his entire career there. Doubt another company will hire him for a similar position."

I like your thinking.

Follow-up to your comments:
JS-does NOT know business, except from what he gets out of a book. Somebody should ask how successful his ventures were at previous companies, like Mol Devices. I don't think that POS instrument he was involved with sold more than five units and that whole MD business is now an utter failure. How's that for a legacy? Plus, he's deluded that BR will change to match his style and business direction. He has the same ego and Harvard MBA that drove the financial industries to ruin.
PC-now that LP is not there to do PC's job for him, he will have big trouble
JH-what's he doing to correct all the above losers that report to him?
AT-her division brings in a lot of sales, but no profit to the company
BC-why doesn't he just cut some of the low performing business units (e.g. SELDI), it would sure add to the bottom line
SH-inherited products that have not been updated for too long and have now lost the market position. Probably too late for her to do anything that would make a difference. Even if she was a genius, probably wouldn't help the division.

Unfortunately, these people will still have high paying mgmt jobs at BR long after you and I are gone, so the organization is doomed.

Clueless management is

Clueless management is responsible for the lack of growth. No innovation, no plan, little to no investment in new technology. When investment does happen they are late to market or simply buying something because it is a good deal.

Top Managers Who Should Be Held Accountable
PC -No plan, vision, or clue. Running the NA organization into the ground. He is repeating his history of failure.
DH -Phony, spin doctor, two-faced weasel that attempts to show leadership, but only cares about himself
JS -Major ego that knows business, but does not the business he is supposed to be running.
AT -Really not effectively running her organization. Long time employee with limited business sense.
SH -Been there too long to see outside of herself. Too much focus on politics and herself to be effective.
BC -This guy has no business running life sciences. He is in this position only because he spent his entire career there. Doubt another company will hire him for a similar position.

This place is too internally focused. Too many people promoted to key positions due to the time they have been with the company. NS is CEO not because of his skill as a leader and ability to drive the business.

"LSG didn't make plan in Q2,

"LSG didn't make plan in Q2, but there was still growth over prior year."

But was it enough growth to make NS happy? I doubt it, especially if it was only 1-3% growth over last year.

Story is that LSG did not

Story is that LSG did not make Q2 plan, but doubt there will be more layoffs. Some of the positions that were eliminated at the end of Q1 are posted as open. Perhaps some of the deadwood Sr. managers will be cut to free up salary for people who actually contribute.

LSG didn't make plan in Q2, but there was still growth over prior year. 

Story is that LSG did not

Story is that LSG did not make Q2 plan, but doubt there will be more layoffs. Some of the positions that were eliminated at the end of Q1 are posted as open.

Perhaps some of the deadwood Sr. managers will be cut to free up salary for people who actually contribute.

If you know that a lay-off

If you know that a lay-off list was made, why don't you know if it's being revised? Do you really know that a lay-off is going to happen?

The lay-off list was

The lay-off list was finalized before July 4th. Are they making last moment change?

How did Q2 sales shake out ?

How did Q2 sales shake out ? Somebody speak up or we have to wait forever for the earnings call.

LSG is in the dung

LSG is in the dung heap.

Everybody better get out while they can.

Name one successful product line for 2009? I dare anyone to prove me wrong that there is a successful one.

"Yes, but NS is very unhappy

"Yes, but NS is very unhappy with LSGs profit performance and the efforts to save money are probably just LSG managers attempts to show some improvement so NS doesn't sell off LSG. "

NS has to sell off LSG.
Poor profit performance is a result of long time lack of investment. The alternative of selling off is to invest $100 to $300 million to introduce new products by acquisition or in-house development. Which is much more risky, and time consuming than selling off.

BIORAD is a typical successful story of a Jewish owned business:
First generation: innovative and mean.
Second generation: conservative and mean.
Therefore, such business typically will end in the hand of second generation after the old product line losing competivie edges.

"Many that get discussed here

"Many that get discussed here have done that and still thrived;LSG is just trying to save some $$$$$$$$"

Yes, but NS is very unhappy with LSGs profit performance and the efforts to save money are probably just LSG managers attempts to show some improvement so NS doesn't sell off LSG.

NS pressured BC to hire JH to straighten out LSG. BC is on thin ice right now if profits don't pick up, regardless of the economy.

You can tell yourselves that LSG is like those other companies that thrived but look at the sales and profit history and the coming two years. I hope you're not deluding yourself in other parts of your life.

"Many that get discussed here

"Many that get discussed here have done that and still thrived;LSG is just trying to save some $$$$$$$$"

But Bio-Rad has always been notoriously cheap so now sales must really be bad in LSG.

The writing is on the wall,

The writing is on the wall, how many companies or divisions do you know that have survived for one year after cancelling their annual sales meeting?

Many that get discussed here have done that and still thrived;LSG is just trying to save some $$$$$$$$

The writing is on the wall,

The writing is on the wall, how many companies or divisions do you know that have survived for one year after cancelling their annual sales meeting?

"Q2 is not looking good. So

"Q2 is not looking good. So far behind plan, the management is ready to make a deal with the devil."

This should not be a big surprise to anybody working within LSG. Management has had no plan for the last few years and have made stupid acquisitions. I'm almost rooting for the numbers to be horrible so that maybe management will be changed. Most likely, people who actually do work will be axed and maangement will be spared.

And, I thought management was the devil or owned by the devil.

July 4th bang?

July 4th bang?

Q2 is not looking good. So

Q2 is not looking good. So far behind plan, the management is ready to make a deal with the devil.

So how's Q2 looking like?

So how's Q2 looking like?

It looks BioRad is having

It looks BioRad is having issue with SEC????

"On June 10, 2009, we dismissed Deloitte & Touche LLP, or D&T, as our independent registered public accounting firm based on the recommendation and authorization of the audit committee of our board of directors.

D&T's audit reports on our consolidated financial statements for the fiscal years ended December 31, 2008 and December 31, 2007 did not contain an adverse opinion or disclaimer of opinion, nor were they qualified or modified as to uncertainty, audit scope or accounting principles. "

http://biz.yahoo.com/e/090612/bio8-k.html

LSG should read Jim Collins

LSG should read Jim Collins new book, "How the Mighty Fall." He defines the five stages that business progress through from success to failure. LSG is definitely in the fourth to fifth stage.

1.Hubris born of success
2.Undisciplined pursuit of more
3. Denial of risk and peril
4.Grasping for salvation with a quick, big solution
5.Capitulation to irrelevance or death

LSG is too busy doing projects that should have been done years ago and will turn out to be irrelevant once the products are finally launched.

The easiest quick, big solution is to sell LSG to somebody else. There is no long term strategy, except some platitudes in the mission statement that nobody really lives as they're too busy with busywork contained in SOPs. That's what happens when you let mfg and R&D guys write all the SOPs, everybody spends all their time doing paperwork.

What products ae included in

What products ae included in the Bio-Rad LSG portfolio? I don't see anyone (other than maybe Frank L.) interested in SELDI.

"Any idea which roles will be

"Any idea which roles will be cut?"

Sales, marketing, manufacturing, but probably not any of the senior management that got LSG into the mess it's in now.

Sales? I would imagine it would be some middle managers and the bottom-performing reps. 

"Any idea which roles will be

"Any idea which roles will be cut?"

Sales, marketing, manufacturing, but probably not any of the senior management that got LSG into the mess it's in now.

'My money is on June 18th

'My money is on June 18th especially if bioplex is not making its numbers'

Any idea which roles will be cut?

My money is on June 18th

My money is on June 18th especially if bioplex is not making its numbers.

Layoff on June 18th, or

Layoff on June 18th, or delayed to accomadate more?

Bio-Rad LSG is well behind

Bio-Rad LSG is well behind plan for Q2 and the 2010 national sales meeting in Canada has been canceled. The managers are so desperate to figure out what to do they survey the sales team to get a clue. LSG is in it deep.

"It seems BioRad owner had a

"It seems BioRad owner had a strong interest to sell LSG. NS had no vision/desire to further expand or even maintain LSG. As a result, management team is trying to cut corners to meet the target profit margin.

So more layoffs, no long term investments before new owners take over."

When will the next round of layoffs be? Soon or later in the year?

"It's to make the bottom line

"It's to make the bottom line look better, so Bio-RAd can sell LSG."

It seems BioRad owner had a strong interest to sell LSG. NS had no vision/desire to further expand or even maintain LSG. As a result, management team is trying to cut corners to meet the target profit margin.

So more layoffs, no long term investments before new owners take over.

"Looks like the national

"Looks like the national sales meeting in Canada has been cancelled. Can anyone inside LSG explain why?"

It's to make the bottom line look better, so Bio-RAd can sell LSG.

"They do look outside.

"They do look outside. Infortunately, their reputation scares (competent) people away."

I thought what was posted here was just a bunch of people trying to make Bio-Rad look bad. I am sorry I joined this dysfunctional family run company. I am looking to get out. Beware. Do not make my mistake. LSG is not a good place to be.

Looks like the national sales

Looks like the national sales meeting in Canada has been cancelled. Can anyone inside LSG explain why?

"The fact Bio-Rad frequently

"The fact Bio-Rad frequently looks internally for key positions"

They do look outside. Infortunately, their reputation scares (competent) people away.

" Or if they hire somebody

" Or if they hire somebody from outside it's some jacka** like NR (now at Agilent) or JS, who are only interested in positioning themselves for their next job at another company. So, internally grown or externally hired, the management is fu**ed up."

JS- Class A self righteous prick who know business, but does not know anything about life science

NR - Big ego true. However, he saw how messed up Bio-Rad is and got out fast. I would have left too.

"The fact Bio-Rad frequently

"The fact Bio-Rad frequently looks internally for key positions has resulted in a number of people who are in positions of authority, but without the skills/knowledge to really do the job well."
One perfect example is the new site manager HK at Richmond plant, this guy is in charge of a chemical plant, but he had no degree in chemistry. It's lucky that last time the fire only damaged one building, who knows what will happen next?"

Or if they hire somebody from outside it's some jacka** like NR (now at Agilent) or JS, who are only interested in positioning themselves for their next job at another company. So, internally grown or externally hired, the management is fu**ed up.

"The fact Bio-Rad frequently

"The fact Bio-Rad frequently looks internally for key positions has resulted in a number of people who are in positions of authority, but without the skills/knowledge to really do the job well."
One perfect example is the new site manager HK at Richmond plant, this guy is in charge of a chemical plant, but he had no degree in chemistry. It's lucky that last time the fire only damaged one building, who knows what will happen next?

For regular BR employees, it's lower pay compared with other bay area companies. And more risky at recession time (company such as agilent, dionnex etc. first freeze salary, take unpaid leaves before resorting to layoff).

"Look who LSG management is

"Look who LSG management is promoting from within. Do these people really have the skills to lead these groups/divisions/sales organizations? I am scared, what about others who work in LSG?"

The fact Bio-Rad frequently looks internally for key positions has resulted in a number of people who are in positions of authority, but without the skills/knowledge to really do the job well. They get training so they can talk a good game, but do not have the practical experience to be effective. These people know it and spend a great deal of time protecting their turf. It is a strange culture with some real strange characters running the show.

"Regardless of competence,

"Regardless of competence, how are the Q2 sales numbers looking? How well has the qPCR business rebounded from the transition and discontinuation of old instruments? How many or few of the ProteOn systems are selling? How are customers reacting to the transition with Bioplex assays? How do customers react to the new website?"

By chance, do you work for a competitor? Sure looks like it to me.

Regardless of competence, how

Regardless of competence, how are the Q2 sales numbers looking? How well has the qPCR business rebounded from the transition and discontinuation of old instruments? How many or few of the ProteOn systems are selling? How are customers reacting to the transition with Bioplex assays? How do customers react to the new website?

If using only one word to

If using only one word to describe lsg management, then it has to be: incompetent.
In the cases of surviving competent managers, they will be got rid off sooner or later. Since their presence make the major of management team uncomfortable.

Look who LSG management is

Look who LSG management is promoting from within. Do these people really have the skills to lead these groups/divisions/sales organizations? I am scared, what about others who work in LSG?

"Please don't just shut up.

"Please don't just shut up. File the WARN ACT lawsuit so that yours and remaining BR employee labor rights can be protected.
Also, spread as wide as possible about these BR managers who are derserving a bad reputation, so that they will not simply jump to a different company to continue their BS."

I doubt anyone would go to this trouble. Who wants to deal with a lawsuit? Besides it's best just to leave, like many of us are planning.

Just don't work for anyone who is currently a division manager at Bio-Rad. They are all brainless morons. I know this for a fact, I've worked for several of them.

I agree that Bio-Rad Sr. and

I agree that Bio-Rad Sr. and Executive Management is responsible for the low margins on many of the products. Because this company is a "me too" company, they enter markets after they have developed. The management does not have the vision to see a market developing and invest in it early.

They do tend to have low margins. You can see it in their financial data. Here is my take on it: In their rush to join the market they make bad deals with OEM partners or push products forward and do not take the time to figure out how to be cost effective when they build a new product line. The management pushes it through just to have a presence and be in the market.

Management is responsible for

Management is responsible for low margins. Most of products BR have are "me too".BR keeps taking money out, has no intention to reinvest in R&D to launch advanced products.
It seems obvious that the owner of BR want to get rid of LSG soon by withholding long term investments.

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