high risk R&D sites after Pfizer AZ merger

Site closure is for sure after the merger. I would nominate Pfizer St Louis and La Jolla on the top of my list.

The only thing left in Pfizer St Louis is Biopharm science, which survived because of the pilot plant there. Moreover, the lease with Monsanto will end in five years. Medimmune has all the capacity Pfizer St Louis can offer. So it might be the site of the highest risk of being shutdown.

Pfizer La Jolla: high risk of closure as speculated in recent news.

What will all of the

What will all of the Pfiz-AZ's do if the deal falls through? Nothing left to post; not left to complain about; no doom to forecast.

Consider transcendental meditation as a substitute for your Rumour Mill addiction.

*WINK WINK*

Your friend,
Chicken Little

Rodney Dammeyer of La Jolla?

Rodney Dammeyer of La Jolla? What about him?

Goodness me what a load of

Goodness me what a load of hot air and bluster! I love the way the tone of your contribution has moved from the putting down of someone to the pretension of an intellectual high ground. You don't like it when challenged do you. Anyway with regard to AZ and Pfizer I have worked previously for AZ for many years and have many years experience of international pharma. AZ have nothing to shout about they have treated the people at Loughborough and Alderley Park disgracefully. I know many people from both sites. Pfizer are asset strippers we all know that. I expect Pfizer to succeed with a takeover price of circa £56.

Goodness me what a load of

Goodness me what a load of hot air and bluster! I love the way the tone of your contribution has moved from the putting down of someone to the pretension of an intellectual high ground. You don't like it when challenged do you. Anyway with regard to AZ and Pfizer I have worked previously for AZ for many years and have many years experience of international pharma. AZ have nothing to shout about they have treated the people at Loughborough and Alderley Park disgracefully. I know many people from both sites. Pfizer are asset strippers we all know that. I expect Pfizer to succeed with a takeover price of circa £56.

I am always prepared for both

I am always prepared for both mature, responsible responses as well as the childish, boorish ones. I deal with it just fine as your response of indignation shows. And, as you can see, I don't need to stoop to your level. If you have something useful to contribute to my 'history' or 'lectures', I encourage you to do so. This should be about the substance of my posts and not about me. As one of several billion people on this planet, I am personally quite insignificant, but if getting personal floats your boat, I can enjoy that too. Perhaps you are just incapable of dealing with the reality that neither Pfizer nor AZ is much different than most companies in terms of how they treat employees. Believe it or not, companies do not exist for the benefit of their employees; they exist to enrich those who run the companies. Note that I am not supporting the status quo; I merely report on it and tell it like it is.

There is zero benefit to complaining about what Pfizer is likely to do after the merger since management doesn't really care if you like it or not. You won't make them feel guilty nor will you cause them to change their plans. Alerting employees to the possibility is valuable only to the extent that it motivates people to look elsewhere if they feel threatened. Other than that, the only benefit to whining and talking about a difficult future is the cathartic effects it provides.

My response to you was in

My response to you was in reply to the arrogant posting you made to the previous poster. If you want to play the know it all then be prepared for the knockbacks.
Deal with it

The lesson was actually

The lesson was actually interesting. It was your childish use of it that was my issue. If you disagree with someone you can either provide a mature counter argument or point of view or you can become childish and insulting. The former is more than welcome; the latter will be acknowledged for what it is.

Deal with it!!

My my you didn't like my

My my you didn't like my history lesson on the origin of the Tw.. word did you. Sensitive soul

Thank you for the history

Thank you for the history lesson about the word 'twat'. It clearly shows you have zero sense of humour, in particular, if you took the old TWA joke seriously. I am familiar with the UK usage of the word as well. And I will continue to maintain that your kind of name calling is childish.

Can we now move on to more serious things like the impact of the AZ-Pfizer deal on the Brasilian Olympics for 2016 which is drastically behind schedule and is forcing the IOC to consider the possibility of returning the games to London instead. Will the new Pfizer be able to adjust in time for a change in venue? Will medications previously labeled in Portuguese need to be relabeled into English? Will fans looking for the perfect Batida now have to settle for warm English beer again?

These kinds of mergers take place all the time and are becoming more common as many industries consolidate. Sites get closed and people get laid off. This is the part of the free enterprise system that the originators, like Adam Smith never imagined. The trend towards monopolies or just a very few providers of goods and services are exactly the kind of economic injustices that Adam Smith was fighting against in Wealth of Nations. The only difference now is that instead of everything being under the control of the crown and a few chosen elite, things are now coming under control of a small percentage of very wealthy individuals. The fight is now with Pfizer, per se; the problem is far wider than that. Pfizer seems to only be following common business practices in today's world.

Uk government did nothing

Uk government did nothing when AZ were closing UK sites or appointing an American or French CEO. The argument about loss of R&D jobs would sound a lot more valid if AZ hadn't already trimmed it to the bonedand still plan further reductions. We're talking to about preventing Pfizer cutting roles AZ are chopping anyway.

Well, it certainly seems that

Well, it certainly seems that Pfizer's spin off of all non-prescription drug businesses, aka the Eastman Kodak model, is going as expected. The Clowns that run that company couldn't find their own asses with both hands.

For those about to experience the Pfizer way (ie a termination notice), my condolences. The unemployment office, and jobs that pay a fraction of what you're used to, awaits.

Welcome to poverty. Let me show you the way around.

TWAT is first mentioned in

TWAT is first mentioned in the mid 17th century circa 1650. It is an Old English word probably derived from Old Norse. In Old Norse it referred to a clearing in a forest. It is slang for the female genitals or as a reference to a type of person we English term a tosser. It's origin has nothing to do with American Airlines, or America.

Thank goodness we have

Thank goodness we have tolerance for childish name-callers like you. Your brilliant comment more than justifies my use of the word 'children'.

Thank you for confirming my wisdom.

Also, for your ongoing education, the word 'twat' is a proprietary word from the old Trans World Airlines. It was their alternative to their famous coffee: TWA Tea ! Rumor has it that the term was coined by Howard Hughes, himself. I don't if you have learned that factoid yet in your junior high school.

Will that be with milk or lemon?

"Now, now children" twat.

"Now, now children"

twat. Thank God idiots like you have a finite lifespan.

Now, now children. One sign

Now, now children. One sign of a company with problems is seeing employees at each others' throats. Them vs. Us never led a company to greatness. There is no need for the old platitudes like 'there is no "I" in TEAM', etc. Most of them are old, boring, and taken with a grain of salt by most employees; they are also true.

If you work for a company that has a high degree of teamwork, consider yourself lucky since such companies seem to be few and far between. If you don't you have three choices: Stay and accept what you have and keep your personal and professional life in two separate compartments, stay and do all you can to foster an environment of cooperation and teamwork, or just leave. Keep in mind that option 2 is difficult but can be the most rewarding choice and that option 3 is often just a case of seeing greener grass on the other side of the fence only to find that your new company is no different from your current one.

Whatever you do, do not choose to just sit around and complain. It will get you nowhere with your management and probably just have a negative affect on your mental health. You may think this is easy to say for someone like me who doesn't work for Pfizer or AZ, but since I have worked for other companies that are just clones of what Pfizer appears to be (according to this and other threads), I can assure you that your situation is not unique.

Whatever you do, do not let your work life take over your whole life and make you miserable. Fighting and raging against a bad situation and taking it home with you will never work.

Yeah. Whatever helps you

Yeah. Whatever helps you sleep at night. Constantly amuses me the number of also-rans who, in their own heads, have reimagined and rejustified their own past behavior. Presumably, this is all to convince themselves that it was all part of their own master plan for their career. No doubt, when you used the word "actually", you had your hands on your hips. There are many reasons why this industry and American science in general is struggling but one of our biggest cancers has to be an arrogant lack of honesty as demonstrated in that last post. So don't blame others for the state of AZ and Pfizer. Blame the individuals behind the lies in your own CVs.

Typical Pfizercentric

Typical Pfizercentric mentality. Right there.
I chose to leave AZ, actually. Had the option to stay,but turned it down. I now inhabit the real world.

They had to, leave, they were

They had to, leave, they were Pfired!

Think you'll find that the

Think you'll find that the smart ones left years ago.
From both organisations.

Your just an exPfizer

Your just an exPfizer employee wishing you still had your job but don't and never will. Don't wish ill on those that were smart enough to keep our jobs, that's just too predictable of sorry souls like yourself, now get back to flipping those burgers and dropping those fry baskets.

Ooooooooo .. I have to follow

Ooooooooo .. I have to follow this one This one looks like it could get juicy and increase the overall entertainment value of Biofind

If the takeover goes ahead

If the takeover goes ahead shareholders will win and patients will lose.
"Synergies" will be identified and R&D job losses will occur on both sides of the Atlantic. Some of those affected will go on to new jobs in biotech companies and a few might get jobs in other big pharma.

On the whole though there will be fewer scientists involved in drug research and Pfizer will once again have damaged the outlook for patients.

No it won't be a disaster, but don't try and tell me it is good news. In the last few years AZ has laid off a large number of staff itself, but things had just started to look positive. Now the meddling and disruption will start all over again...

"Yes, nevermind the hundreds

"Yes, nevermind the hundreds or thousands of people and families who's world will be turned upside down because of this."

Pfizer is a business not a charity.

(Posted by ex AZ employee who moved on without bitterness - and I was rank and file before anyone starts)

Scaremongering springs to

Scaremongering springs to mind.
Look it's the way of the world.
I think you have to embrace changes and not always be hostile against them.
There could be changes some for the better maybe some for the worst.
But on the whole the positives that can derive from this sale outweighs all the negative stuff.
I feel the only idiots are the ones trying to stop changes. Who is to say if the deal does not go ahead that these plants would not close anyway. Pfizer need AZ development drug pipeline to secure future job prospects and I am sure this would be welcomed by those who maybe worried about their futures
More importantly back to my point. Just take a minute to think of positives and negatives and I am sure most of you would agree buying AZ would be the way to go.

Yes, nevermind the hundreds

Yes, nevermind the hundreds or thousands of people and families who's world will be turned upside down because of this.
Idiot.

What is all this fuss

What is all this fuss about.
Let Pfizer buy az and let's see what happens.
The way I see it its good all round for science, investers and government.
The money Pzizer will put into this program. I think we will have world beating drugs at affordable prices.
Let the deal be done ASAP I say.

The Scots are about as

The Scots are about as popular are turd in a bath down in Westminster at the moment. Can't think playing the 'I am a Scot and love Britain' would cut much ice.
Nor would 'I am a Yank and I am about to butt-fuck a UK-Swedish company', especially its R&D, which is a cost-centre not a profit-centre. Got plenty of the former in America to offset against taxes.
He's between a rock and a hard place under Parliament's scrutiny. They can be pretty sharp in committee.

As a Pfizer shareholder I can

As a Pfizer shareholder I can only shares disgust to now know that instead of the Pfizer Board of Directors and Pfizer Leaders meeting to discuss discovery new drugs for their patients they apparently spend their time discussing tax inversion plans and avoiding American tax rates. Really, is that putting patients first? What a classless outfit in charge, they should all be
replaced.

Have you seen what Pfizer is

Have you seen what Pfizer is doing to their own long term shareholders if this deal transpires? They will get slammed with Capital Gains tax on shares they currently own. But somehow we are all being directed to believe they are doing this deal to benefit AZ shareholders because for some reason they really care about them while at the same time they are screwing the Pfizer shareholders. Classy move Pfizer, the whole world is rely starting to hate you now. Maybe pushing this thru so you can get those big bonuses in the end isn't worth sacrificing the Pfizer name for. The .pfizer Board of Directors should all get some guts and take a lesson from the AZ borates and stop this mess in best interest of the share holders.

Have you seen what Pfizer is

Have you seen what Pfizer is doing to their own long term shareholders if this deal transpires? They will get slammed with Capital Gains tax on shares they currently own. But somehow we are all being directed to believe they are doing this deal to benefit AZ shareholders because for some reason they really care about them while at the same time they are screwing the Pfizer shareholders. Classy move Pfizer, the whole world is rely starting to hate you now. Maybe pushing this thru so you can get those big bonuses in the end isn't worth sacrificing the Pfizer name for. The .pfizer Board of Directors should all get some guts and take a lesson from the AZ borates and stop this mess in best interest of the share holders.

He is extremely arrogant and

He is extremely arrogant and cold hearted to his own empires so I hope they take him over the coals and don't fall for his crocodile smile and phonetic words. I also hope they drag in the CFO so I can hear what happens when he tries to avoid giving direct answers rob their questions. He prides himself on that for some reason.

He is extremely arrogant and

He is extremely arrogant and cold hearted to his own empires so I hope they take him over the coals and don't fall for his crocodile smile and phonetic words. I also hope they drag in the CFO so I can hear what happens when he tries to avoid giving direct answers rob their questions. He prides himself on that for some reason.

Next week Reed has to appear

Next week Reed has to appear before a Parliamentry committee to be questioned about the proposed takeover. This is going to be entertaining as the political knives are really out for Pfizer. He is in for a hell of a grilling. If he tries to play the I am Scottish card and love the UK he will be savaged. Everyone knows he is a lier.

Read and his team of yes men

Read and his team of yes men are really hurting what's left of the Pfizer name on both sides of the pond with this desperate move. It's so stupid to here the Pfizer CSO speak in badly broken English how this is very exciting for US based labs that we all know he is getting ready to slash and close. They must think we are all idiots, but at least they met their match in AZ. Let's see how much they are willing to overpay that will be made up by thousands and thousands of job cuts by hard working folks in both companies.

"Reed was born in Scotland

"Reed was born in Scotland but left for America in 1978, he now has American citizenship. No way is he a Brit! So far as were concerned this side of the pond he's another American corporate shark"

He is no longer British, no longer American, and no longer human. He has been part of the Pfizer collective since 1978 and has been well and truly assimilated. There is no hope for him...

all R&D sites in all areas

all R&D sites in all areas high risk
name a low risk site ?

Reed was born in Scotland but

Reed was born in Scotland but left for America in 1978, he now has American citizenship. No way is he a Brit! So far as were concerned this side of the pond he's another American corporate shark.

Reed was born in Scotland but

Reed was born in Scotland but left for America in 1978, he now has American citizenship. No way is he a Brit! So far as were concerned this side of the pond he's another American corporate shark.

Pfizer, the most unamerican

Pfizer, the most unamerican drug company out there. I hope all US doctors remember that when writing those prescriptions. Let the British population buy their pills, we don't need them here either if they don't want to be here.an American CEO would not do this to his own company.

Just love how the Pfizer

Just love how the Pfizer Executive Team purposely leak how they are planning to increase their AZ bid on Friday to 53 per share. This builds so much excitement they think, ooh let's all act so surprised and excited. How lame. Maybe they should try actually funding their own R$D for a few years and let their scientists come up with their own drugs. Now that would be anew approach. AZ just released they are in late stage clinical for a cancer drug, how quick Pfizer is to grab that up, so desperate looking.

Here is dome straight talk

Here is dome straight talk for you. Pfizer is telling AZ your jobs are safe while telling their own US based scientists yes you will experience job cuts. Why would anyone in Pfizer feel this is exciting or a good thing. Too bad we aren't good enough to grow within like AZ is trying to do instead of once again trying to buy our way out of poor leadership. Our budgets for R&D have sucked to the point of resulting in many missed opportunities but we can add billions of dollars on to a bud every week for a company that just wants us to go away. And what a great plan it is, let's put to struggling companies together and of course that will result in one huge successful one. Where are the Pfizer Board of Directors on this one, are they hiding out line in the Hank McKinnel days.

To see what will happen to

To see what will happen to A-Z after it has been swallowed by Pfizer one only has to look at the break-up and sell-off of Amersham International. Immuno sold to Kodak(what the 'k was that about?) thence to J&J to form O-CD which dumped UK R&D and did not replace it in the US. Amersham bought by GE and now a pale shadow of its former glory. Want diagnostic short T1/2 R-A isotopes? Could be a bit of a wait.
Lots of redundancies at both companies to 'make the bottom line'. Not unique, just look at Bain and Danaher and the magic they have woven in the diagnostics business.
Some who left O-CD UK and went to Pfizer Sandwich found that to be only a short-lived move.
Government intervention? All pigs fed, fit and ready to fly.

To see what will happen to

To see what will happen to A-Z after it has been swallowed by Pfizer one only has to look at the break-up and sell-off of Amersham International. Immuno sold to Kodak(what the 'k was that about?) thence to J&J to form O-CD which dumped UK R&D and did not replace it in the US. Amersham bought by GE and now a pale shadow of its former glory. Want diagnostic short T1/2 R-A isotopes? Could be a bit of a wait.
Lots of redundancies at both companies to 'make the bottom line'. Not unique, just look at Bain and Danaher and the magic they have woven in the diagnostics business.
Some who left O-CD UK and went to Pfizer Sandwich found that to be only a short-lived move.
Government intervention? All pigs fed, fit and ready to fly.

AZ R&D at Macclesfield? There

AZ R&D at Macclesfield? There have been some assurances from Pfizer about retaining manufacturing there, but no comment on the current R&D capability.
AZ supporting functions that were due to remain on at the Alderley Park site?
AZ Mölndal? Very limited mention of Swedish R&D so far, so I can't see that surviving if Pfizer are pushed to guarantee UK jobs. The Mölndal site certainly didn't make it onto the infographic shared yesterday.
AZ Södertälje? Though my guess is that this might be safe for some time as it manufactures such a huge percentage of AZ's drugs. I may be wrong, but I don't believe there is any R&D presence there any more.
I would also guess quite a number of smaller AZ places will be affected too; there are all sorts of sites after AZ's M&A activity this last year.

only idiots will think they

only idiots will think they are too important to be replaced.

I love it when idiots who

I love it when idiots who have no clue as to what sites actually do and how impossible it will be to replace them share their insight as though we care. Actually how many times now has it been posted that LJ, STL and GR sites were closing only to have them survive just fine while others around them crumble. I say keep it up as it only seems to bring them luck as the exact opposite always happens.

They will need the big sites,

They will need the big sites, with lots of people, not small leased sites like STL, sites line that won't even be on the radar this time around. Look out Groton, Pearl River and Sweden though, the ax may fall hard and soon. The whole AZ thing is now a slow dying deal anyway as Pfizers history of tearing apart entire communities has finally caught up with them.

They will need the big sites,

They will need the big sites, with lots of people, not small leased sites like STL, sites line that won't even be on the radar this time around. Look out Groton, Pearl River and Sweden though, the ax may fall hard and soon. The whole AZ thing is now a slow dying deal anyway as Pfizers history of tearing apart entire communities has finally caught up with them.

What about Groton?

What about Groton?

Speaking from the UK there is

Speaking from the UK there is massive political pressure building up here. The politicians have finally realised what a shite company Pfizer are. The politicians here are going to pin Pfizer down to real guarantees. Pfizer is desperate for this deal so I expect if the deal goes ahead then the cuts, which were marked for the UK, will happen in the States and Sweden. Pfizer CEO, Read has to appear before a parliamentary committee next week and believe me they are going to rip him to pieces for real legally binding guarantees. Pfizer have got themselves into a game they never expected.

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