NEWS REGARDING SIEMENS LAYOFFS OCT 2012 - 2013

Please post here any news about layoffs and leave the political scene on the other thread.

Losing customers has more to

Losing customers has more to do with the cliff that customer service has gone over and the inadequacies of their products.

In some instances I don't

In some instances I don't believe that laying off people is the answer.
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This is not one of those times. They need layoffs and site closures of redundancies of which DX has numerous crossovers.
In the meantime they will continue losing potential revenue and customers. It really is as easy as that.

In some instances I don't

In some instances I don't believe that laying off people is the answer. As much money as they lose, a combination of salaries of people that get laid off is not going to solve the problem.

I think that I feel a lot like others do in that I wish they would just get it over with. I would like the elephant to leave the room.

Well, someone has to be

Well, someone has to be wrong. But don't you think that if things have turned around enough by now that Siemens could avoid additional layoffs for now, that there wouldn't be a big press release? Sounds like some layoffs, somewhere are still on. Could it just be that, like everything else in DX, Siemens is running a bit behind schedule?

Nothing going to happen. It's

Nothing going to happen. It's all in DX haters' wet dream. Now take a hot bath, rub yourself, and have a good night sleep.

So what was the big news that

So what was the big news that was suppose to come on Nov 8th? Just the lil email from Loescher? Now I heard today is the day?! Wish someone would get their facts correct.

The USA is becoming less

The USA is becoming less relevant, its heading rapidly for bankruptcy anyway, what is left will be bought by Chinese as a plaything. Spiralling milk-it-dry healthcare costs will kill the industry to collapse. The rest of the world is where it will be at, places like the UK with a viable and sustainable health system (even if it is crap) will be where the money is.

The point is Siemens are not used to selling, they are used to answering questions with -but we are Siemens!, how much is it? but we are Siemens!, can you offer me the best service? but we are Siemens!

Newsflash for Imaging - it - doesn't - work - any - more.

In addition to rationalizing

In addition to rationalizing their personnel and facilities, Siemens would be well advised to choose a single site for developing their new system. Doing a piece here and another piece there is a recipe for disaster. They also need to rationalize their product line and start to eliminate the older, less, or non-profitable systems as soon as is reasonbly possible. Immulite should be the top candidate since most of what it does, can be done by Centaur. The cost of transferring manufacturing to Llanberis is a sunk cost which is unlikely to ever be recovered. AT some point Immulite will start to be a money loser and Siemens needs to project into the future since it will take them a year or so just to get out of the business due to required customer notifications. However, if they can shut down Llanberis at the same time, it will represent a big savings.

I know this all sounds brutal, but a) it's just business and b) the termination of Immulite is already inevitable. It's just a matter of when they decide to pull the plug. I would suggest, that absence the sale of the Immulite line to someone else, that expecting a lifetime career in Llanberis is not a great bet. My advice is to keep you eyes, ears, and options open.

"For the same reason the word

"For the same reason the word "we" isn't pronounced "doubleuee", or "sea" is pronounced "c", rather than "essee"."

Sorry, but you didn't seem to get the joke or taunt as the case may be. (And, as per your explanation, it should have been "esseeay")

Meanwhile DX can only move up

Meanwhile DX can only move up after finally facing its demons and getting serious.
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Move up? Are you joking.
DX hasn't faced its demons yet and management is far from serious.
If Siemens was the European Union then DX would be Greece.

For DX to survive they need to finally handle the layoffs and site closures. The redundancies are simply a cancer weighing down everything else.

Anyone who actually believes

Anyone who actually believes dX is doing well must have their head so far down in the soil the only language they hear is Chinese.

I work in Management and can tell you how badly things are going and how compromised people are who just want to leave. I'm talking great hard working people. They are just so fed up with Siemens all they want is a package and out they go.
At my site we have lost so many to competitors I can't begin to tell you how bad it's going to get. Sadly, what has stayed is mostly deadwood and those waiting for retirement.
Instead of reading the propaganda Siemens puts out you should read what analyst are saying bout the company. It isn't good and they definitely believe Loeschers "growth" days are over.
Regarding IMAGING Division I totally agree it's Healthcares Golden Child. Reagent manufacturing for VISTA, Centaur and Immulite have hit so many snags the past two years it's a wonder some sites haven't closed already.
Yes, layoffs are coming and I don't begrudge Siemens for finally doing them. Taking the loss now is far cheaper than later.

As you know, Americans call

As you know, Americans call the last letter of the alphabet 'zee' whereas it is called 'zed' in the UK. Why, then, isn't the kiwi country adjacent to your ex-penal colony in Australia called New Zedland rather than its current designation?

For the same reason the word "we" isn't pronounced "doubleuee", or "sea" is pronounced "c", rather than "essee".

You don't pronounce Arizona

You don't pronounce Arizona as Ari'zee'ona do you? Thought not

Claims of the numbers in the

Claims of the numbers in the UK are interesting. However, DX is a worldwide business. What matters is the worldwide numbers. The data from the UK is roughly equivalent to who won the state of Montana in the last American election. (I chose Montana because, like the UK, they raise alot of sheep, too). One state voting for Mitt Romney was not sufficient to win the whole thing. One report from the UK may or may not be indicative to how DX is doing. One thing does seem somewhat clear from all of the posts here and that is that the various parts of Siemens DX do not seem to know what the other parts are really doing. Just another sign of how bad internal communication is within DX.

But since I have the attention of our UK friends, perhaps you can answer a question that has been troubling me for years. As you know, Americans call the last letter of the alphabet 'zee' whereas it is called 'zed' in the UK. Why, then, isn't the kiwi country adjacent to your ex-penal colony in Australia called New Zedland rather than its current designation? Why do your restaurants not sell Zedland mussels (some of the best in the world)? Snarky, yes, but just trying to understand the differences between two people separated by a common language (thank you G.B. Shaw for this brilliant observation).

your not seeing the figures

your not seeing the figures then are you? just out - in the UK, imaging DOWN, DX UP. The days of Siemens running a bureaucratic inefficiently over managed imaging service are crumbling, viable and rising competition and the disappearing 'open chequebook' customers means this is just the tipping point of the imaging cresta run, the descent will pick up speed now. Meanwhile DX can only move up after finally facing its demons and getting serious.

Siemens Healthcare needs to

Siemens Healthcare needs to concentrate on IMAGING which it basically owns the market on and dump several DX platforms which show relatively no return for the buck.
No one I know has seen any new platform for DX. We heard about something called a Trinidad but that's bout it.
The Agenda 2013 is basically a glorified Garage Sale for Immulite, Centaur and VISTA. Customers don't want to get stuck with one of these for six years (average length of platform ownership in a lab--according to Siemens Management).
Hard to believe that after six years they still havent shutdown redundant sites as well.
Just tells me how misguided this division is and how little they actually care of saving money which continues to vortex down a hole.
To date, each and every quarter, they are still keep losing customers to competition, like Roche.

I understand that until

I understand that until Siemens comes out with a new system, or somehow makes Vista fully competitive, they will continue to lose market share as customers replace older systems. Unless Siemens intends to be unique and not show the system at shows like AACC until it is really ready for sale, I would estimate that the new system won't be ready for at least 2 or 3 years. Not showing the system early might eventually pay off in gaining long term trust from customers. Most customers know that companies show systems very early, and for the most part don't trust the overly optimistic release dates. On the other hand, showing a system that is 6-12 months away from release, and in good enough shape that the release date is relatively firm, is a good way to build interest, show features to a large audience at once, and to get a few labs to hold off on a purchase if they believe the announced release dates. Not sure which way Siemens will go on this one, but most likely they will show it 2-3 years before release, which translates to a launch date in 2014-2015.

On the other hand, there is always a fairly constant turnover of old systems for new ones or labs expanding and I would guess that this doesn't change much from year to year. It is possible that some labs will expand in the US over the next few years if the added insured people under ACA add enough testing volume. Other than that, the number of total systems sold worldwide probably doesn't vary that much and even if Siemens isn't selling new systems in the next few years and are losing market share, they can still focus on things like service and whatever feature enhancements they can make in the meantime. Service is a particularly important area since right now their reputation is fairly poor from what I know. Focusing on improving service rather than on sales which they are unlike to get now would be one way to improve their image with customers and will almost certainly help with sales of the new system whenever it comes out.

As for the person buying the Cobas, the situation will be different three years from now. The customer of 2015 will have a choice of the most up to date new system from Siemens or a 3-4 year old technology Cobas. It's all part of the purchasing-product development-new system cycle.

The problem never was the

The problem never was the entire Healthcare Division of Siemens but just DX. We've been saying that from the beginning.
IMAGING is doing great and looking to acquire a larger facility then it currently occupies.
Awhile ago it was mentioned IMAGING was in process of taking over the Immulite Facility in Los Angeles but haven't heard anything since. Last heard the facility is still more than half empty and losing money like crazy for Siemens Realty Division.
The rumors regarding layoffs in DX actually aren't rumors at all. Siemens management brought it all up in newspaper interviews. Another reason I don't think DX is out of any hot water just yet.
Tarrytown, Glasgow, New Jersey and other sites stand to still lose a lot before end of year.
Lets just wait and see.

Totally agree with your point

Totally agree with your point of view. I want to add that the new DX system may be doomed due to timing of roll out. A few posts down below mentioned about replacing immulite and centaur with cobas 8000. I know for a fact that some labs are under way the same plan. when the perfect new DX system ready to go, there would not be much market share to grab.

"Nov 8 came and went, still

"Nov 8 came and went, still here"

So much for the veracity of all the rumors here.

As for Siemens failing, there seem to be a mish-mosh of posts here that don't distinguish among Siemens, Health Care, and DX. Siemens probably is too big to fail, and there are few, if any, signs that Siemens per se is in trouble. Health Care could conceivably fail without national or international repercussions, however, everything that has been posted here suggests that Health Care overall is doing well. As for the smallest, part, DX, yes, it could fail, but the failure would not make an huge different to the overall bottom line of Siemens since, as I understand things, it is only a small part of Siemens' overall business. The 12B they paid for DX is a sunk cost, so going forward, it is pretty much irrelevant from a financial point of view. Siemens can, and will, abandon DX when it becomes fully evident that it is not going to become a profit center. Seems to me that the key thing to watch for is the 'new' system. It appears that Siemens is just marking time until the new system is ready. If the new system is a competitive product (in terms of cost, menu, reliability, etc.) these past several years will be overlooks and just considered to be growing pains. If the system comes out and gets a poor reception from the customers, I would think it is pretty much game over for Siemens DX. Everything else, including rumors of layoffs now, next week, next month, or next year is just noise from the business point of view.

Nov 8 came and went, still

Nov 8 came and went, still here

"Someone drank the punch. Too

"Someone drank the punch.
Too big to fail? Say what?
Over $12B on Healthcares purchase of Dade, Siemens and DPC is still a huge financial deficit for them.
Going from #1 in Healthcare six years ago to #4 now...too big to fail?"
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This is from the punch-drunk author. I said SIEMENS is too big to fail! From Germany's point of view, letting Siemens fail would be like the US letting GE fail - too much of the German economy is dependent on Siemens.

DX will continue marching down its chosen path until they don't reach their intended destination on time. Then whatever levers needed to be pulled to "make the numbers right" will be pulled. Maybe if you guys keep marching "together" you might get their on time and you'll be golden! Stranger things HAVE happened...

Golly gee. You get years to

Golly gee. You get years to plan for your layoff. You get retention bonuses. And you may get a termination package too.

So tell us ... what are you complaining about? It sounds like you are an elite group of special people who get far more than the average laid off worker. It's hard to have much sympathy for such lucky people.

As for Mitt Romney, in some ways he was more like people in LA than their critics. He lived in the fantasy world of his own campaign, denying all of the polls and believing they were all biased by some mythical group of subversive liberals (most people call that group the working press), refusing to see that his changing positions on everything were not playing with the American public, and running as the candidate of a party that is clearly out of touch with the majority of the American public. The most interesting thing about the election was not the final vote totals, but was how much the results surprised the over-optimistic Republicans. It is one thing to recognize and accept reality and not like it; it is quite another to not even accept reality. But don't feel bad for Mitt even if he is unemployed. Word has it that he will be a neighbor of the LA people ... moving to his home in La Jolla so that he can supervise the construction of the elevator in his garage there.

I, for one, thought the

I, for one, thought the latest message from Loesher was too good to be true.
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It was. Analyst already want his head.
A lot of layoffs are pending.
All sites will be affected.
Karma has nothing to do with it. It's business.

I work for Siemens (not LA)

I work for Siemens (not LA) and I don't know about you but I don't wish anyone to get laid off either at this company or elsewhere. I wouldn't wish that on anyone. A lot of people seem to spend their time worrying or obsessing about the LA whse. I guess I just don't get it. I work hard and can only worry about the things I can do something about. Obviously, this isn't one of them. I love my job and the people I work with.

I, for one, thought the latest message from Loesher was too good to be true. May sound corny but I go in and do the best job that I can everyday. If others don't have the same work ethic then so be it but I don't wish anything bad on anyone. You get enough bad karma as it is. You don't go looking for it.

Unemployment line is for

Unemployment line is for losers in east coast who will get their sudden layoff by Siemens soon, not for people in LA who have prepared for the moment for years.

By the way, you sound like Romney at his Wednesday speech, bitter and full of disappointment.

"LA 2013! I told you so." And

"LA 2013! I told you so."

And in 2013 you can tell us so from the unemployment line. You can live by any dates you choose, but your ultimate fate was decided years ago. You still get paid by Siemens, but that is a tribute to their incompetance and not your value. You can only take delight from the fact that Siemens owns you and that people like me, who know how to get things done, don't.

At least I know in my heart that my ego is justified. I have a long and varied track record to prove it.

LA 2013! I told you so.

LA 2013! I told you so.

The Fat Lady hasn't sung

The Fat Lady hasn't sung yet.
Lets see what happens by end of December.

Siemens is just too big to

Siemens is just too big to fail - they will figure it out and find ways to remain competitive in the other non-Healthcare Sectors. But there will be major changes in these sectors.
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Someone drank the punch.
Too big to fail? Say what?
Over $12B on Healthcares purchase of Dade, Siemens and DPC is still a huge financial deficit for them.
Going from #1 in Healthcare six years ago to #4 now...too big to fail?
Yes, there will be major changes coming but a great deal of them will be in Healthcare.
"they will figure it out and find ways to be competitive". Yes, it's called Agenda 2013 Spring Sale. Analyst are already not impressed with it and have reminded investors Siemens has done this before to little or no increase in growth or sales.

Lay off the punch.

Oh thank you Mr.

Oh thank you Mr. Management.

Yes, Healthcare is doing great. But that is IMAGING.
DX is barely skipping along.
Yes, they hit their marks because they had to lower their financial expectations.
Apparently you don't follow the Wall Street Journal, Reuters and Fox Business.
But we do agree changes are coming. Let us not forget the 1600 Healthcare layoffs.
Let us also not forget analysts are "suggesting" it's time to replace Loescher.
"Agenda 2013" is basically a garage sale of old platforms.

So wave the Siemens flag all you want. It's not nearly as rosey as you suggest.

Siemens Healthcare did great

Siemens Healthcare did great - they hit their targets. Healthcare CFO said that as long as DX hits their targets going forward, they will be left alone. Loescher and Siemens are impressed with Agenda 2013, and mimicked that to come up with Siemens 2014 for all of Siemens. So, best place to be in Siemens right now is the Healthcare Sector, with the MR business unit being the star of all of Siemens. DX will be left to keep marching to its plan, whatever that may be.

Siemens is just too big to fail - they will figure it out and find ways to remain competitive in the other non-Healthcare Sectors. But there will be major changes in these sectors.

Oh it's Friday , and that

Oh it's Friday , and that will be bad news day as that's traditional at Siemens

Actually, a lot of news came

Actually, a lot of news came out today. Though it wasn't specific towards DX it did say a lot of what will be happening.
Wall Street Journal and Fox Business were sourcing out information regarding Siemens and Loescher in particular.
Apparently the "happy" e-mails we got today from Loescher and Requardt are a 180deg from the truth. Things are bad...very bad.
Analyst are already saying, Loescher, has lost his way and Siemens is heading down a spiral road.
Articles did mention more layoffs are coming but nothing about the 1600 from Healthcare we are still waiting to hear about.
Regardless, more information should be coming out over the next few days.
All this is far from over.

Maybe. But they won't do it

Maybe. But they won't do it like you.

Nope. But don't you think

Nope. But don't you think that's what they would post here?

"All you need to know about

"All you need to know about November 8th will be presented to you next Monday. Thank you for your patience.

Siemens Management"

Are you the Siemens Management? Laughable!!!

I guess DX is safe for now.

I guess DX is safe for now.

All you need to know about

All you need to know about November 8th will be presented to you next Monday. Thank you for your patience.

Siemens Management

It only confirms that people

It only confirms that people in the know about DX really knows nothing, just a bunch of work ants playing with themselves. Boring...

So Nov. 8th, no news on DX?

So Nov. 8th, no news on DX?

So I'm confused. Supposedly

So I'm confused. Supposedly 11/8 was D-Day for diagnostics? Seems the big news today is that Siemens is changing how it cleans water, or whatever. Haven't heard any news about DX, anyone else?

So DX in Sacramento survived.

So DX in Sacramento survived. It's good news to folks there.

FINALLY! Bye Bye DX assets!

FINALLY!
Bye Bye DX assets!

Siemens to make $7.6B in cost

Siemens to make $7.6B in cost cutting by 2014, sell assets

Sacramento Business Journal
Date: Thursday, November 8, 2012, 7:36am PST
Siemens AG, the German industrial giant, said it will cut $7.67 billion in costs by 2014 and will sell several assets, according to the Wall Street Journal.

Siemens, which has operations in Sacramento as Siemens Rail Systems, is making the cuts in an effort to improve financial returns to shareholders, according to the Journal.

The company reported a 27 percent drop in fiscal year profits, intends to sell water-treatment assets and has been unable to sell its Osram lighting business. The plan is a response to a weakening global economy and falling prices for many of Siemens' products, according to the Journal.

"Alex Galbman never went to

"Alex Galbman never went to school and he is a director of systems engineering in Flanders so why you bother???" END QUOTE

Obama never runs any business or orgnization, he continues to run this country. If a degree can define what a person can do, the world would be a much simpler place. Just get over it.

Any more layoff news? I heard

Any more layoff news?
I heard something about Siemens selling off assets over the next two years. Anything on Healthcare yet?

Alex Galbman never went to

Alex Galbman never went to school and he is a director of systems engineering in Flanders so why you bother???

that's your flexible R&D

that's your flexible R&D resource - right there, right on your doorstep
Designer Wallet

We are actually working on

We are actually working on Cobas 8000 to consolidate menus from immulite and centaur, and outsource esoteric assays to contract lab. The cost/benefits seem good, at least on paper.

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