OMG, parking lots and flower pots again. You can't possibly be that stupid can you? I would like to sell you a bridge. I really would like to sell you a bridge, it only costs 5 million dollars, it can be in any city you want, just e-mail me at your yourstupid@earthmail.com, and we can discuss the details. Or to make it simpler you can just reply to the Nigerian email scams, but make sure to give them your bank acount number.

The STL inflammation TA was told it was an important cog in Pfizers Research. 2 months later we found out it was, but not in STL.

Yes, St. Louis is important. It's important to transfer those projects. What you state is possible, but not very likely. Hate to break it to you, but, do you really expect D to tell you the truth. That's not in the management MO. They want you to work until they say stop, not when you get depressed.

Dolsten stated that St. Louis is an important research site which will contribute much to the Pfizer research effort in biologics. He won't make cutbacks here. We will be expanding and buying the building back from Monsanto in 5 years.

The new parking lot is underway already.

now that Dolsten has complete control of RR, w/out McKAy in the way, when does he start to St. Louis operations and consolidate to Andover and Pearl River?? I mean there are only what about 350 PharmSci positions from pfe there??

"Why are they prolonging the agony? When will they announce closure?"

It was announced last year! Most people are gone. Monsanto owns the site. There are some folks remaining in rented space until the work is transferred someplace else. That time table has not been announced but StL is no more.

St Louis has been cut down so much, if they closed it then it wouldn't even get WARN act status.

Why are they prolonging the agony? When will they announce closure?

Just a different kind of stress awaits you outside of Pfizer.

Yeah - you have to do some work to earn your wages / salary.

I would like to think there is life outside of Pfizer, but most jobs pay 50-70% of my former pfizer salary. It would be much better to have my Pfizer salary to help out with my kids in college. Just a different kind of stress awaits you outside of Pfizer.

All I can say to the STL folks is that there is life outside of Pfizer and that all those being pfired this Summer/Fall are far better off for it. It is now only a matter of time before all of you in STL meet the same fate. If you think RR, JL or any other managers care about you, you are in for a huge surprise.

"Ummm - how is it that you KNOW..".yadayadayada

to repeat - you are a liar. you have no inside knowledge. and what you do no, no one cares about. now go away.

"Why don't we talk about a larger site for a change ? Like Cambridge."

You're right--we should. They suck. Enough said.

"utter lies. I know this because you do not work for Monsanto. Nor do you work for Pfizer."

Ummm - how is it that you KNOW that someone does or does not work for either Pfizer or Monsanto? Are you "all-seeing?" I know - you looked up both companies' directories and there is no one named "Anonymous" working for either company, right? What a freaking IDIOT!

Yes - I do work for Monsanto, and yes - I do know the situation! You're just upset that someone knows something that you don't know!

> St Louis is done, it might take the entire 5 years but it's toast...

Why do people keep posting to this ? it is a waste of time.
St Louis has been Sold,
St Louis is long gone,
St Louis is no longer a primary Site for Pfizer,
St Louis is no longer a secondary site for Pfizer,
St Louis is almost a tertiary site ,
St Louis has been cut down so much, if they closed it then it wouldn't even get WARN act status.
Why don't we talk about a larger site for a change ? Like Cambridge.

St Louis is done, it might take the entire 5 years but it's toast... but on the bright side history has shown Pfizer will buy something else and move Biotech there or probably just lay off the St Louis crowd given relocation is not cheap. As soon as RR and cronies retire the jig is up.

dear all,
beware.......

Of HR types that post to biofind trying to support their evil empires

"At Monsanto, we already know we need more space..."

utter lies. I know this because you do not work for Monsanto. Nor do you work for Pfizer.

dear all,
beware the contributions of 'insiders'. God knows what the motivation is for these nuggets of idiocy; presumably to make the poster feel part of some community and to provide some degree of self validation when he sees his own words in up there in lights; "Ooooh! I've left my mark on the world.". Regardless, the needy guffhead that posted this is a liar. Perhaps it is time for Biofind to insist on registration to minimise such vagina monologues.

p.s. this is not to say that the outcome described will not occur but simply to point out that the poster has no role in the process, no access to information, no position of influence and no connection with either company.

At Monsanto, we already know we need more space, and will take over the buildings and parking lots entirely by December. Biologics will be history for PFE in six months.

REally

At Monsanto, we already know we need more space, and will take over the buildings and parking lots entirely by December. Biologics will be history for PFE in six months.

"I'm in Biologics, and our group is alive and well. The parking lot is lovely, and I can't believe how nice the new flowers are that were planted outside of CC building. It's obvious that Biologics will have a continued presence in St. Louis. Why else would Monsanto water those pretty pansies for us everyday?"

Don't be so self assured. Why was Wyeth acquired? Count yourself as an "overlap" and work hard to get a profitable biologics out on the market real soon. Otherwise, STL will be axed soon enough.

Yes, I would recommend drug rehab counselor. Your experience should prove a valuable asset.

I'm in Biologics, and our group is alive and well. The parking lot is lovely, and I can't believe how nice the new flowers are that were planted outside of CC building. It's obvious that Biologics will have a continued presence in St. Louis. Why else would Monsanto water those pretty pansies for us everyday?

As far as the Jeffy sightings go, the Zoloft has me seeing pink elephants, not raccoon-eyed, sunburned Uncle Jeffy.

As the Zoloft is wearing off this time of night, anybody who has a career change idea for me, please let me know. I'm up for going back to school, but I don't want to spend years earning yet another degree.

Nothing changed. Does that disappoint you?

Gosh, I miss the senseless blathering about parking lots and flower pots. Plus the frequent sighting of Jeff in the hallways, kind of like a UFO I guess. I also miss the mindless musings of how St. Louis would be a leader and a center of excellence. So what is the status now? Does Mr. or Mrs. Optimistic still have a job? What kinds of flowers are being planted? Is the parking lot really nice? Have there been more UFO sightings?

Well if your post is an example of your technical writer skills no wonder you've been sacked.
I read it 3 times and it still doesn't make a lot of sense.

Don't forget folks, Pfizer corporate procedure 117 - sends all that research to lovely, filthy India and all that manufacturing to dog-awful, filthy China. And both perm and contract U.S. and UK and EU jobs. Have you been to these nations? I have. So SHUT UP.

A project / technical writer job for informatics and discover IT projects at Pfizer St. Louis (I was at Maryville Centre) through, say, dog awful Kforce cost Pfizer say, 45-60$ an hour on 1099-misc (check box 7 for non-employee compensation), with the writer making up to 37$ or so an hour. InfoSys or Satyam in Chennai, India costs Pfizer say 40$ an hour and less. What a savings with technically illiterate India "freshies", with nine credit hours of training doing my job. Pfizer AtS initiative. Beh.

Pfizer is sucking up all the U.S. Corporate Welfare it can vis-à-vis Section 530 of the 1978 Tax Act and the various free trade agreements; specifically the Free China Trade agreement.

We can thank Wall Street owned Washing-greed, DC. All of that outsourcing is for profits and shareholder value. We pay the same for that blue pill at retail, however. Pfizer still showers Nancy Pelosi and the rest of Washing-greed, DC with Viagra, too.

America the Degenerate. The UK and the EU have scaled back corporate entitlements that cause massive job loss as is happening here in the good ol' USA. The average Hindu Indian in Chennai or Bangalore or Mumbai knows exactly how U.S. corporate welfare works, the legislation, the forms, and more.

The large India outsourcing companies in India, InfoSys and Satyam, are gaining capability every single damned day. They are now "educating" underclass people to perform my technical writer job thanks to what is left of the British education system teaching them English from a young age. China has learned, also. The Communist Chinese government has established giant training centres in some cities to train prospective candidates in engineering, analysis, project management, and much, much, more using all that trillions of value dumped in China by the U.S.

The average U.S. citizen is too stupid, too lazy, too fat, and too uncaring to halt the hemorrhaging of generations of U.S. to India and China - two very undeserving nations that want your U.S. and EU lifestyle. Obama said specifically while campaigning, "I'll stop rewarding companies that send jobs overseas." Section 530 remains in full force and enjoys a safe harbor provision as the Section 530 legislation does not clearly distinguish between a permanent employee and contract labour.

America the Degenerate. Creating problems for itself to satisfy short-term greed. That short-term approach creates problems for the rest for the developed world.

"It is no secret that those AA managers running the former EMS are being used to eliminate jobs by trumping up performance issues on Groton employees. When the ranks are culled by the numbers desired, these managers will be let go. They are of limited usefulness."

WTF are you talking about most of the managers of former EMS are former EMS. But ya when they're done they'll go too. Look who they are.

They stacked Groton with loads of those harboring bad blood and put them in charge. Talk about a mess.

More specifically, the group of retards running the former EMS.

Open slots in Groton were preferentially offered to AA people first before anybody else had a shot at them. In this case, however, we're talking about people who are specifically targeted for AtS. Everyone who gets targeted knows damn well that the reasons go beyond being simply redundant, so IF they are one of the lucky few who are retained, they have to be completely ignorant not to know that they will be entering their new position with a HUGE target painted on their backs.

It is no secret that those AA managers running the former EMS are being used to eliminate jobs by trumping up performance issues on Groton employees. When the ranks are culled by the numbers desired, these managers will be let go. They are of limited usefulness.

I just called the Chesterfield campus, telling them that I am hiring at Washington University and asking them simply to let human resources know that I am on the line and ask them if they would like to speak with me. They refused even to call up to HR to let them what my business was.

Your company truly loves you.

"You're giving management too much credit. They stacked Groton with loads of those harboring bad blood and put them in charge. Talk about a mess."

Yes, but in the case of AA we are talking about an entire site closure where everyone was on the block unless the Grotonites could convince them to move. Open slots in Groton were preferentially offered to AA people first before anybody else had a shot at them. In this case, however, we're talking about people who are specifically targeted for AtS. Everyone who get targeted know damn well that the reasons go beyond being simply redundant, so IF they are one of the lucky few who are retained, they have to be completely ignorant not to know that they will be entering their new position with a HUGE target painted on their backs.

"Management knows you'll harbor bad blood and they don't want that. They'd rather hire fresh from outside."

You're giving management too much credit. They stacked Groton with loads of those harboring bad blood and put them in charge. Talk about a mess.

"hmmm, really??I've seen several of jobs posted in BTxPharmSci and it looks like the new RR org has tons of STL folks in there! So what, they will be moving??"

If history repeats itself, and it will, then those jobs are for show and NOT for the displaced ATS'd. Oh sure, they may rehire 0.1% of you just to "prove" they didn't discriminate but the rest of you better start packing now. No matter how good you are, or think you are, Management knows you'll harbor bad blood and they don't want that. They'd rather hire fresh from outside.

Nobody knows what is going on.

oh and BTW, we feel your pain here in Pearl river too, same deal.

"A major wave of people will be leaving STL next week. It is very sad to see and to think about losing all the talent makes one sick to their stomach. In addition, no jobs to be had in STL for scientists and most will end up leaving the area."

hmmm, really??I've seen several of jobs posted in BTxPharmSci and it looks like the new RR org has tons of STL folks in there! So what, they will be moving??

A major wave of people will be leaving STL next week. It is very sad to see and to think about losing all the talent makes one sick to their stomach. In addition, no jobs to be had in STL for scientists and most will end up leaving the area.

"the question is when will they start moving people and projects east to Andover/cambridge and Pearl River? heard some rumors that say sometime in the summer of 2010 with some managers and others earlier to start setting up shop, when there will be lots of space in Pearl, several hundred people will have exited there by then."

Deal with Monsanto is to have the Pfizer footprint to the minimum by early/mid-April.. people moves (if any?) to other sites will have to be before the Summer.

"Rumor is waves will start at STL soon. Good Luck for the future ex Pizerites"

This is no rumor, it is a fact. I wish all the affected the best, I wish I could say the same for the unaffected in St. Louis.

Thursday AM, Snowing in STL. Any estimates of how many people will show up for work today. 30%???

Wow! It sure took you a long time to reply. Does your mommy put you to bed early?

THAT'S NO WAY TO SPEAK TO YOUR BOSS.

What's the mater little one? Kindler Claus bring you a lump of coal and a Job Loss Notice for Christmas?

Who is this prepubescent retart that uses the moniker of "Jeffie-Clown Shoes-Kindler"?

Get a life, A**hole!

January is hereby dubbed "Musical Chairs Month"

BWAHAHHAHHHAAAAAA!!!!!!1

Signed,

Jeffie "Clown Shoes" Kindler

PS- LOVE my new SHOES! Thanks all!

Rumor is waves will start at STL soon. Good Luck for the future ex Pizerites.

"the question is when will they start moving people and projects east to Andover/cambridge and Pearl River? heard some rumors that say sometime in the summer of 2010 with some managers and others earlier to start setting up shop, when there will be lots of space in Pearl, several hundred people will have exited there by then."

so what is RR saying about this? there has to be some buzz on this, there were once alot of vocal people posting on this...its gone dark...???? what gives

Sure, they fired all those people and now they're going to pay to move you there.

I want some of what you're drinking.

No formal announcements yet for the inflammation organizational structure. Wonder when that will become known.

No way, St. Louis will survive and be a leader in Pfizer. They have and always have had the best parking lots and flower pots. Now someone hand me my crack pipe.

"STL will last for 3 years. It has strategic assets (pilot plants) which are needed, hard to replace, and Monsanto does not need. After 3-5 years when these plants can be replaced STL will be gone from Pfizer. However, I look for surgical cuts, less than 20 people to take place in the next few years and they will be under the radar. No real press involved.
Good luck to all."

the question is when will they start moving people and projects east to Andover/cambridge and Pearl River? heard some rumors that say sometime in the summer of 2010 with some managers and others earlier to start setting up shop, when there will be lots of space in Pearl, several hundred people will have exited there by then.