No future. The end of discussion. heal broken heart

Must be about 1000?

So, what it AD's final headcount, now that we are all in?

I just recently lost my job and was shocked to see the continued cuts of personnel 45 and over with lots experience going away. Most of the remaining younger personnel know they are in trouble and will most likely not meet expectations this year. I feel bad for them. On the other hand Management keeps justifying there BS existence and find new ways to save themselves when the cuts come down the pipe. I am not saying all managers; there are some actually good ones out there.
Good luck
Ex-scientist

"Those with jobs at Pfizer are only going to be waiting for the next round which will be here soon"

This has been true for 6 years, add to that the constant "changes" and "adaptations" and you can see why nothing is getting done at PFE-- the environment is not conducive to any kind of productivity. Who could be loyal to this company who is not loyal to anyone but wall street (cost savings, job cuts). And yet by trying to be loyal only to wall street they are shooting themselves in the foot. Putting lawyers and bean counters in charge of a pharmaceutical company, allowing (if not encouraging) the infighting between sites, and promoting the worst working environment, PFE has doomed itself.

"No - a job isn't better than no job when you are talking about Pfizer. Those with jobs at Pfizer are only going to be waiting for the next round which will be here soon and there won't be a nice package to ease the fall. Pfizer isn't ready for Lipitor fall and they won't be ready next year, or the year after"

To answer that question you must know if there is a critical need for three Supply Chain operations. Are all of the sites at capacity? Will the SDM facility be running at 100%? How much savings can they achieve by eliminating one or two SDM facilities? How many more staff and facilities will need to be reduced to achieve additional cost savings when Lipitor loses patent protection and a large part of the 12 billion dolars of sales revenue in 2011?

Do you think that the staff that is remaining are the winners? The survivors will need to complete their own work plus the work that their displaced colleagues used to do.

The stress level was high two years ago. Stress will now be higher than ever trying to complete your tasks, meeting your goals, trying to make a few stretch goals, tring to outperform your co-worker so that you have a better chance escaping to the next round of lay offs.

So, are we there yet?

No - a job isn't better than no job when you are talking about Pfizer. Those with jobs at Pfizer are only going to be waiting for the next round which will be here soon and there won't be a nice package to ease the fall. Pfizer isn't ready for Lipitor fall and they won't be ready next year, or the year after. Why? because the people left at Pfizer won't be able to get another good drug to market, wait and see, it won't happen. The company is dying, its just a slow, painful death.

For all those impacted, there is hope. Lost my job about a year ago, sold our house relatively quickly and started a new job within three months. Just keep the faith and know that PFE is doomed and you have been given a gift. It is hard not to despise the management there for all their failings, but at least you will go to a place that isn't CONSTANTLY reorganizing and wondering why there are no new NDAs. No one could discover and develop a drug under the stressful conditions created by managment at PFE no matter how much money they throw into research.

I would say the right job vs. just a job is better than no job.
I am real and not a dipshit like you

A job is still better than no job. Get real.

I'm gone too!! Early May is my last week. I have to agree with you on Pfizer going down the tubes. I thought they were going to really change the business model, but I guess it looks like the managers are saving themselves once again from the choping block so nothing but the same old BS. Moving all my stock out of Pfizer as soon as I get my severance and starting my new life and not looking back. Come on May!!!!!!!
Best of luck to everyone effected

I got pfired today. So long Pfizer. Good luck to you. See you at the bottom of the ocean.

To all those still at Pfizer, I am the lucky one.

"Are you a loner? Nobody at Groton talks to you? Poor guy. This has been out in the open for so long and you still know nothing about it"

i know they said groton, but is it all there? are there any heads from the group in Sandwich, STL, andover, NY etc.?? LCM should apply to BTx too right? and the BU is in NY so?? just wondering where all these jobs will be.

"whats going on with that LCM group?? where is that going to be located? I guess those are all new positions?"

Are you a loner? Nobody at Groton talks to you? Poor guy. This has been out in the open for so long and you still know nothing about it.

The Pharm Sci Estrogen Team (ET) is almost complete

some interesting leader appointments (wye folks) in PD, whats going on with that LCM group?? where is that going to be located? I guess those are all new positions?

April Pfools!

Watch the YouTube video 'clown shoe intervention'

Sincerely,
Smiles, Giggles, & Laughs

not everyone, still more groups will hear in one to two weeks

monday is the day everyone gets a meeting invite to recieve their fate

What's going on here?

just do your goals first party later
its important to do you goals before you get bloody canned

Stability will have some cuts as well. Key is what management will stay and will they keep brown nose types or the most talented of the workerbee's. Soon they will know are fate.
Let's get this party started.

with LH gone, AC is toast.

February 30th

March 31st is the date.

April 5 is the rumor date

2010, or 2014???

Is there a real date every employee will know his/her job status? Mar. 31? Apr. 15?

Don't know about that, it is one of the few groups remaining headcount neutral (though being pooled where similar skillsets exist for "fairness").
Given that it handles a fairly broad range of devices, plus supports PharmTx and BioTx it's in an o.k. position I think (relative to the more established and long in the tooth PharmSci groups). Plus IDCoE is only based in the UK, so exiting UK currently would mean no more IDCoE.

I thought there were plans to exit IDCoE in UK?

Yes, you are toast.

any other news?

Or from IDCoE analytical group (in the UK at least)........

minimal redundancies in the analytical pool from DA, so that leaves AC to make up the job loss numbers

"They have gone back to the old system, the Pfizer system, and gotten rid of the WL system that was adapted."

No that was not a WL system. It turned up about 2003.

Maybe tomorrow. Seems to me after everything that as been said, AC is no longer. It has been completely merged into ARD - no separate GMP release unit anymore. They have gone back to the old system, the Pfizer system, and gotten rid of the WL system that was adapted. But we only know about one leader in Groton so far.

so the question is when?

"and I guess some AC manager jobs may disappear"

Keyword is guess, nobody knows what is going on, what is going to happen.

AC = analytical control. A now legacy department whose responsibility it is to do clinical release testing. They are being merged into the main Analytical R&D line, so combined headcount of the new department is being reduced by 15-20% and I guess some AC manager jobs may disappear.

can somebody tell me what "AC" is. sorry wyeth person here

last poster: the idea of respect for people was abolished after nancy hutson left pfizer, please do not kid yourself or insult those who read here that "respect for people" is actually a value that is important to pfizer. There is just no evidence of that anymore.

most people would rather hear some information, true or not, passed down quickly rather than have information very slowly cascaded down to them. that is why these boards are so popular

so, if you do know something, post it here

Out of Respect for People do not ask us what went down.

Groton SC is changing.

AC Management has been told of the changes.

The staff supervisors and scientists are waiting to see the roll out of the new organization and whether they are part of the new organization going forward.

"Can you elaborate on the AC changes?"

Nothing serious, life goes on. Don't worry, be happy.

Groton AC has not heard yet (or have they)? Sandwich yes.

Can you elaborate on the AC changes?

Rick Rudder is a worthless liar, but hey, he is a blue stooge.

"Sad day in AC today on both sides of the pond."

It's all business.

Sad day in AC today on both sides of the pond.

Well friend if you call what you guys have been doing for the past year a success then I would guess that you are a pfizer manager in every detrimental sense of the word. I was going to just let your reply go but I just had a meeting today that made me think of you. A particular unit wanted a kilo of material and was going to have it outsourced. The quotes just for the raw material was... ONE MILLION DOLLARS. One million freaking dollars, not for finished goods, just the raw material to make one kilo of material. And seeing how their budget was a LOT less than that for all their programs for the whole year, you can see how they were not laughing at my statement. I could not resist and asked if they had considered partnering with PGM, which brought laughter from the rest of the room and an icy stare from the presenter. I don’t think I made a friend there. We are able to make them four times as much for one quarter of that cost. Like I said, good luck with that.

We're going to with PGM or will outsource
"Yeah, good luck with that."
I'm back - I'm laughing at your statement. Just more evidence how out of touch PharmaSci is with the rest of Pfizer. Listen-friend-we have been working with PGM effectively for a year now. As for outsourcing your function, good old Frank is hot on that!