Very well stated.

"The issue with DS wasn't competence. While it's true that he contributed nothing technically for 30+ years, his real talent was ruining the careers of his colleagues, backstabbing anyone who disagreed with him, and being one of the most creative engineers when it came to finding reasons that things couldn't be done. DS, more than any other individual was responsible for the decline of Tarrytown and the transition from a company that dominated clinical chemistry to one that is a minor player today. Given his meanness, one can only hope that his pasture is filled with cow pies."

"Maybe obvious to you, but you're very wrong"

Sorry Sparky, but even an HR rep would notice it. The fact you're making a little more of an effort to change the styles up since it got pointed out confirms it. Question- do you hear two different voices in your head as you type these up?

But of course for Mr. Liberal spending the equivalent of $28 million dollars a day since Jesus was born, would not have any significant impact on the US economy in the future, now would it?

That's like every single household (114 million) in the USA currently, coughing up $90.00 a year for every single year since Jesus was born, just to make $20+ trillion!!!!!!

I would say, that should have some impact.

A lesson for the math challenged;

You could have spent two million dollars A DAY since Jesus was born, and still not have spent as much as the deficit was for the single year of 2011.

In other words the $20+ trillion that the deficit will be by the end of Obama's term, equates to being able to spend $28 million dollars a day since Jesus was born!!!!

Worse, the actual deficit will undoubtedly be worse because the $20+ trillion estimate comes from the Obama administration, so do we think it might actually be a bit higher?.......you bet.

Oops;

correction; "....there is no proof that we on this train are in any eminent danger....."

"....there is no current factual data to support your fears of the future. It is pure speculation."

All the rest of you who can read numbers on a page/ screen can you vouch for me that when you see the projected (Obama's admin. estimates, so the deficit numbers will no doubt be even greater) 20+ TRILLION dollars by the end of his term, as very, very, VERY scary?? I think Mr. Liberal just doesn't realize how big a trillion dollars is, never mind 20+ trillion and probably even more. Nearly all of this will be because of Odumbo's economic illiteracy, and Mr. Liberal does not think this is a problem? And no data? this is all very well documented, or have you kept your head in the sand to continue the Obama adoration group think?

No data?..........Jeeeesus Christ!!

"......NO FACTUAL DATA TO SUPPORT (my fears)"...............are you kidding me!!!!??? This is like being on a train with no brakes or throttle control going 80 MPH towards a cliff where the tracks end at the precipice and saying, "......there is no proof that we on this train are not in any eminent danger, because I just do not see it......".

If a tiger is charging towards me growing and bearing his teeth, I can honestly say that I am in big, big trouble. Mr. Liberal? He would just say "....relax, it's a nice overgrown kitty cat so just give him a chance because I do not feel any eminent danger from this beautiful animal......".

Mr. Liberal is precisely the kind of youngster that we can all fear will someday be a position of real power to lead our country.
Come to think of it, it has already happened...........Obama is president.

Maybe obvious to you, but you're very wrong.

There are so many Siemens threads here that you needn't bother with this one if you want any information or rumours. This thread should be left to the Buick guy and to me to whatever extent I wish to comment on his lies and re-writing of history. To the extent that I decline to do so, you can just see the Buick guy's monologue of doom from his magical crystal ball. I wonder if he uses his predictive skills to be on sports events. If he was any good at it, he'd probably be able to afford a new car by now.

Look at the writing style, word choices, and sentence structures. It's obvious that the same guy is writing both sides of this "argument". And when you take a look at how fast some of the "responses" are it looks like he's got a stack of these written up ahead of time so that he can play sockpuppet.
You need another hobby there, Sparky. This one is just kind of ... sad.

Clever way to hush any rumors. Post so much crap that he thread is masked by rants.

Weird stuff going on in this thread... Why doesn't everyone just go out and have a few beers, and chill for some time? Can't hurt, unless you drink too many and drive afterwards...

MY liberal spending spree?

Did liberals create an unfunded Medicare Part D?

Did liberals create and continue two unfunded wars?

Did liberals approve of two big tax cuts that we could not afford during the Bush years? Tax cuts that went primarily to the rich for here and now at the cost of continued deficits to be borne by future generations?

Where were you in the first decade of this century? How can any rational person blame this ALL on liberals? And if you are so damned concerned about future generations, what is so wrong with biting the bullet now and letting those who can best afford it pay a bit more to help their country out now before, as you claim, it's too late? I'm talking about the uber-wealthy, not anyone who would be remotely considered to be middle class. What is wrong with higher tax rates on those earning multi-millions a year? The taxes need not even be permanent and can be tied to how the deficit and national debt get reduced. There is NO WAY we can get out of this mess by simply reducing government spending. No conservative has yet to present a budget that actually lists specific cuts and shows clear progress in the next few years. Projections that go out for decades, like the ones in the Ryan budget, are completely meaningless, and from a simply practical point of view, the Ryan budget will never become law because it eliminates Medicare as we know it. It's just a budget for show and you know it.

So not only do you have no viable ideas, you try to re-write history to your personal bias that all problems come from liberals and refuse to accept any blame for your side. You are either ignorant, pig-headed, a liar, or completely psychotic. Whatever the case, there is no reason to continue to discuss with you since you don't understand what a real discussion is. All you ever do is talk about what you are against and who is to blame. If you wish to live your life in fear, do so on your own. And if you continue to believe that people like me don't think about the future, you just show more of your blindness since you have been almost uncanny in your ability to know anything about me.

I am tired of your whining, tired of your name-calling, and tired of your nonsense and, quite frankly, I just don't give a damn about you. You don't know how to read or listen, so what's the point? I will just continue to correct the worst of your lies and perhaps start to use your tactic of assuming that all conservatives are identical and they are all old, white, hostile, anti-woman, anti-immigrant, xenophobic and racist. I suspect that all of those terms pretty much describes you.

Well, I hate to disappoint you but I'm not in any despair. Maybe an occassional hangover but definitely not despair.
Not sure if you were referring to the Obamacare posting or someone elses.
I still feel Obamacare will send us billions into more debt.
I was also quite content with the current system in place.
As far as history with healtcare is concerned all I need to look at his Canada and England. My family in Cananda have to wait 4 months for appointments.
Don't expect the insurance providers to play nice. They already know many people they will sell policies to will default on their payments almost immediately.
In this case the middle calls working shmo's like us will have to pick up the payments.
Despair? Not the least. Concerned, you betcha.

It IS generational, fool. You're old and scared. It's how you look at the world. You have done what so many have done for generations. You started off as a young, eager, optimistic person and over time you have grown more cynical, more worried, more fearful, and more of a prophet of doom. This is part of the aging process. I'm sure you heard similar dire predictions from your parents and grandparents as you were growing up and they were trying to temper your enthusiasm.

As for your prophet of doom scenarios and your concern for future generations, there is no current factual data to support your fears of the future. It is pure speculation. I can equally well speculation on a future of greatness and neither one of us would be anything more than a tarot card reader. You have lived long enough to know that the right wing has always been made up of fear mongers. A century of red scare nonsense and nothing to show for it. Don't you remember the 60s where the scare mongering was all about how this country would be doomed by civil rights legislation and medicare? More predictions that never came true. Remember the domino theory? We now trade with Vietnam and all of southeast Asia has not come under the domination of Moscow, now has it?

Your motivation may be noble, but your understanding of history and how man has progressed in terms of wealth and democracy and freedom is completely flawed. You seem to only listen to the talking heads of the right wing and don't check things out independently for yourself. You are constantly seeking scapegoats for problems and you always wind up with the same result: It's all the fault of liberals who are monolithic in their thinking and action and who intentionally want to destroy America. You cannot accept that there are different approaches to problem solving and that multiple ideas can all come from good intentions. You see the world as black and white with all conservatives being good and pure and all liberals being evil. You have yet to come up with ideas of your own on how to deal with existing problems (other than the annoying, oft-repeated 'repeal Obamacare' and what will you do when your biggest cheerleader, Ms. Bachmann is withdrawing from the scene). You want to cut, cut, cut but won't say what you want to cut or how much or what will happen to people who benefit from government programs (let them figure it out is not a reasonable answer ... it's just a coward's way out). You are all about being negative and offer nothing positive at all.

And that, my old scared little man, is where YOUR problem is. Your attitude prevents you from reasoning with others or even listening to them. And your paranoia drives you deeper and deeper into despair.

Obamacare is going to sink this country and no bandaid is large enough to fix it.
Your premium will skyrocket and your healthcare will shrink drastically.
It failed miserably in Canada and England.
The days of seeing your doctor for an emergency the same day are over. Take a ticket, get line and stand behind 4million unemployed whom you'll also be paying their healthcare for.
Make sure you have a First Class First Aid Kit at home. You will quickly learn you'll need it and how to use it.

".......I feel sorry for someone your age who lives in fear of losing all he believes he rightfully earned....."

Geeesus, I don't know how people like you get these things so incredibly wrong, backwards, completely flipped from reality.

Repeat, REPEAT,.... for the nth time, IT IS NOT OUR GENRERATION I am worried about! Unless the economic collapse of the country occurs in the next two decades or so, I'll be dead before anything impacts me directly. Even I do not believe this will happen in this time frame. It is the next generation or two that may very well see it. This is the problem w/ you liberals, you always think in the now and present, screw the future. Conservatives like me, worry in terms of future GENERATIONS, not just ourselves.

What you take as my fear for losing what I have is so totally unfocused that it belies logic. There is virtually no chance the government can take any significant portion of it because they have just allowed me to protect all I have with incredible gift exemptions to the tune of up to $10.4 million for my wife and I. Further all that I pass on to heirs after I pass will be protected from taxes also......this is all legal stuff by the way. So unless the world collapses in my lifetime I will be OK.

What I actually feel is generational guilt, because I know damn well that I will have had it better in mylifetime than my heirs........your liberal administrations spending spree has absolutely guaranteed that. My generation did not have to carry nearly the burden of forwarded monies, as you youngter's will, you can that Obama for that. That is why I am gifting deserving heirs the vast bulk of my networth and a portion to charity. I will not spend it because I do indeed feel a lot of guilt. If the next generation was to have he basic same situation that ours did, then I would happily blow it all before I pass. After all that would simply spoil them correct? But I see incredible difficulties that our generation is passing on to them. At least I can buffer some of my family from the coming storm.

Already the current graduates are completely overburdened w/ student debt; not so much the heft of it, but because they cannot find decent employment. The reality of lower paying jobs is permanent because of the global economy, and for Odumbo and crew to try and prop up this foolish notion of maintaining the status quo w/o austerity to better align our economy with the real world stuff is a tragedy that will play out it's sorry chapters in the future.............not my future most likely, but certainly further out.

This holds true for many nations economy's also, so I am not singling ours out....Japan aand many Euro countres are in the same boat.

Chicken little is the perfect description. I'm still not sure what part of my history you think is a re-write, nor do I really care. What I do know, is that this country has made most of its progress in terms of freedom and democracy under liberal thinkers, be they Republican or Democrat. I would include presidents like Jefferson, Jackson, Lincoln, both Roosevelts, and Johnson. (I exclude recent presidents who's impact has yet to stand the test of time). I have not included Reagan because his impact was not that much about freedom and democracy directly as it was a reaction to excesses on the left and excess government. Two points about Reagan though. He knew how to work with Democrats in Congress to both lower and raise taxes when appropriate and, two, he would never be an acceptable candidate of today's Republican Party.

In contrast, most of the periods during which wealth tended to become more concentrated at the top occurred under conservative administrations. And, whether you like it or not, history has shown us over and over again that when large imbalances of wealth build up, people rebel in one form or another. And that is what you really fear the most ... things getting so bad that the little guy will revolt and come and take your money from you.

Ultimately, this is a discussion of how to split up the pie. How much above 'average' does an owner or investor get relative to the worker bees? In your mind, market forces of a capitalistic society take care of it all. But capitalism is about an economy of small business owners and not giant corporations with huge barriers to competition. Capitalism doesn't work when a few large businesses have undue economic and political clout (think price 'fixing' and lobbyists).

In some ways I feel sorry for someone your age who lives in fear of losing all he believes he rightfully earned. You also suffer from not having a political party that is really interested in you as much as a party that is interested in setting back women's equality, obsessing over abortion and birth control, being completely insensitive and unrealistic when it comes to immigration issues, mostly oblivious to black issues, hostile towards students, and many of whom would like to see a theocracy in this country which makes them no different, in my mind, from certain Muslim theocracies (e.g., Iran). There is no party that has, as its primary concern, the return to real conservative economic principals and wants to support the middle class and small businessman. They will fight for the very rich, but not the upper middle class.

You feel threatened. You feel all alone. You tend to think of conspiracies of the left. So, yes, chicken little is a good name for you. Thank you for your suggestion.

"...........did the Democrats decide to obstruct and make Bush a failure? NO !! They recognized that they had lost an election and cooperated with Bush and his fellow Republicans .............."

Let's see now;

Endless recounts, attempts at rigging the re-counts to favor the Dem's (which resulted in a count MORE favorable for W. by the way, than if they had just done an unbiased recount.... what a riot........something to do with Karma, I think!!........hanging chads, connected chads, etc..............again what a riot!), screams of unconstitutional Supreme Court bias, Lawsuits, etc, etc.

Yeah, the Dem's sure took the election in stride, and hopped on the Bush bandwagon, right Mr. Incredible Liberal? You talk about revisionist history, you can't see past the single leaf in front of you, never mind the forest. This is why we can never, argue on level terms because your idea of fairness and a level playing field is completely corrupted by mental illness.........what else do you want me to call it? By the way, I am not singling you out, the whole country is listing left, I fully and completely realize this, and that is why I fear for our future as a nation.

God bless us in the USA because with the country sinking left, we will need a very big Ark at some point..........poor Noah had it all wrong, the big flood has yet to destroy the US and the rest world with our corrupted political and financial "logic".

Yes, call me chicken little, but the Minoans, Crete's, Romains, Aztec's etc. all have seen the great flood come at some point.

The issue with DS wasn't competence. While it's true that he contributed nothing technically for 30+ years, his real talent was ruining the careers of his colleagues, backstabbing anyone who disagreed with him, and being one of the most creative engineers when it came to finding reasons that things couldn't be done. DS, more than any other individual was responsible for the decline of Tarrytown and the transition from a company that dominated clinical chemistry to one that is a minor player today. Given his meanness, one can only hope that his pasture is filled with cow pies.

DS is out to pasture. But done worry, his protege is very incompetent. I hope for Siemens sake CM removes this person before more damage is done and careers are ruined. THEN Siemens stands a chance of building new instruments.

Nice try to re-write history. After one of the most disputed elections in American history (2000) did the Democrats decide to obstruct and make Bush a failure? NO !! They recognized that they had lost an election and cooperated with Bush and his fellow Republicans on: two tax cuts, Medicare Part D (even though it was never funded by the borrow-and-spend Republicans), no child left behind, and a blank check to conduct foreign and military policy. Unlike Obama, the abuse that W got was earned and didn't really start until Americans realized they had been lied to about Iraq. The above are facts, not speculation.

Compare this to how the Republicans dealt with a Democratic victory in 2008. Mitch McConnell said that job number one for him and his fellow Republican Senators was to make Obama a one term President. No talk of working together; no talk of compromise. On day 2, they challenged Obama's legitimacy because Chief Justice Roberts messed up the oath of office. Then they said that the 're-take' was invalid because it was done in private at the White House. Add in all of the birther-he's a Muslim nonsense to further discredit a sitting American President. Add in that Republicans now claim that 60 out of 100 votes is a required majority on all major legislation. Republicans have done everything they could to obstruct and block and prevent a sitting President from even forming a government by slow-walking or outright blocking an unheard of number of appointments to cabinet, sub-cabinet and judicial appointments. Just look at the number of filibusters prior to and after 2009. Facts speak for themselves.

The more one looks and listens, the more it becomes obvious that much of the hatred of President Obama is racial. Many on the right still deny it, but the more they get probed, the more the real or latent racism emerges. And in the past 5 years, the Republican Party (now known as the Tea And Republican Party, or TARP for short) have evolved from being a conservative, right of center party, to a party of the extreme right that is primarily old, primarily white, and primarily male. They have alienated blacks, Hispanics and even most women by their right wing agenda. They espouse the idea of a nation based on their interpretation of Christianity and, for the life of me, I can't figure out how the religious-based country they wish to create is conceptually different than the extreme Islamists in Afghanistan or Iran. It's just a different religion, but the common thread is a desire for a theocracy.

Having trouble dealing with all of the above? Then just take a simple test: Check up on how your investment portfolio (or the stock market if you are not invested) did from 2001-2009 and how it has done since then. My portfolio was up just a little bit during the Bush administration, and has more than doubled since Obama took office. It's kind of hard to make a case that America has prospered more under Bush than under Obama. Hot to worry, though. I know you will never allow facts to get in the way of you purely emotional (maybe even racist) interpretation of history.

And of course when W. was in office, all the liberal Dem's with political power and all the pie faced liberals in the press and entertainment business did nothing but wish W. the best correct? They gave him the respect an elected presidential candidate deserves correct? Nobody called him dumb, stupid, corrupt, liar, killer, traitor, racist, etc. etc. correct? I did not even like Bush from day one but even I have to admit that the liberals treated W. far, far, far worse than Obama and the Dem's are getting currently. If you disagree with this you are just a blind, biased, Kool-Aid drinking, liberal; that is just a fact.

Further, how has W. respected Obama since he has been out of office? Again, I did not like W. for many reasons, but you have to admit that you can search forever and not find a shred of credible evidence that W. has said a bad word about Obama. Can the same be said for Carter or Clinton? Ha!, no class these bums, they just cannot help themselves to try to discredit a former president that is against their brand of politics-------how extremely embarrassing and reflective of the liberal mindset.

Maybe you should be questioning why John Boehner has refused to bring a jobs bill to the floor of the House. Maybe you should ask Mitch McConnell why he stated that a majority is now 60 % on all significant legislation and that a minority has the right to block a vote from even taking place. Presidents don't legislate and the Republican approach since day 1 has been to obstruct anything that President Obama has tried to do and, at the same time, have yet to present a politically viable plan of their own. Republicans have said with their own words that their mission is to make Obama fail which they can't do without making the country fail as well.

I never had any faith in Obama. When some one promises that everything will be rosy if they get elected, watch out !

Interestingly, I read recently that Whites since the great recession have lost an average of ~10-15% of their household net worth. In this same time frame Black families have lost ~44%, and Latinos ~22-27% of their household net worth. Since the data comes up until late last year it seems to me like the current administration has not done much to help out the struggling minority fractions, despite what the Republicans might think. I do not see why we are not screaming to the Obama administration that the lower middle class is fast becoming a poverty classification that will only be a bigger and bigger drag on the economy. We need far more and better paying jobs that the lower middle class can get and secure for their futures, and their kids futures. I would not have thought that Obama would have let these two groups suffer so dis-proportionately, for so long a period. After all we all voted for him to have more "hope and change" than has been allotted by previous administrations. Maybe I am losing a little faith in the man.

What happened to D.S from Siemens @ Tarrytown ?

just like the day never understands the darkness of the night.

No one here works for Siemens. Those people left a long time ago.

There are those who work for Siemens, but it sounds like very few work at Siemens. Nothing there seems to be getting done.

if you guys are so smart, why are you working for Siemens?

Yes, you are right.

"........how our President had lied about WMD. Ain't that a kick in the head?"

I know you will see it 180 degrees from myself, but the above quotes baffle me so much, that it actually saddens me. So the president of the US knows there are no WMD in Iraq and lies about it just so he can go in with the entire US military to nail a bad guy he does not like (after all he threatened his daddy, right?). Just to think that you liberals ( yes, I am going to hang this derogatory label on you because you earned it) would process the info and believe this nonsense is downright scary. Try putting yourself in W.'s shoes; the ENTIRE world is watching very carefully and is against what you are proposing to do (invade Iraq), so you say WTF and lie about the WMD to qualify going into the war effort............I know you think W. is dumb, so you accept that he is too stupid to look a short distance down the road and think OK, we are in and Saddam is dead...........now what do we do about the lying about the WMD? Oh, just ignore it and the world will just forget about it!!?? Boy, you guys must think that W. was dumber that a chimpanzee.

The truth was, Hilary, Daschle, Kerry, Reid, etc., etc. (a bunch of liberal Dem's) all voted for the war effort. Why? because they too believed the faulty CIA data, and did not want to be on the losing side politically if Bush became a hero for getting control of the WMD. Remember this was fresh off of his Afghanistan triumph. So Bush, the CIA, the voting Dem's and everyone else was wrong about Iraq having WMD's, but lying????? No, it could not be further from the truth..........just ask your Democratic heroes why the voted for the war effort at that time. They will tell you they believed Iraq had them. I know you will say that Bush cooked the data to get what he wanted.............really?? So that means he not only lied but used treason-ish means to get there with no plan to figure out what was going to happen when the truth came out?? That is just plain idiot talk. How you guys process information "logically" is just fascinating.

The economy nonsense will have to wait for another post..............it's far more complicated than just saying Bush was in office, so that is why the crisis happened...............

I did very well in both bubble. Unlike you, I don't follow any herd, left, right or otherwise. I think for myself. I analyze carefully. I also look at how the stock market did in the first 8 years of the millenium under Bush and how it has done under Obama. Under which President would most Americans have preferred to have been invested in stocks? Only two possible answers: Bush or Obama. No explanations, no excuses, none of the right wing BS. Just the SIMPLE facts. The market from Jan. 2001 to Jan 2009, or the market since 2009. This is just another example of why one can't just talk about 'you liberals' and try to pin a label on me. One cannot label an independent thinker or mind. You've been trying it for years and keep failing.

Why not talk about the herd mentality that arose after the Gulf of Tonkin incident that LBJ (on the left) or the shrill screaming about Iraq from the Bush (on the right) before the invasion.

Now tell me. What was it exactly that America gained from either war? 50,000 plus dead in Viet Nam and 4000 plus dead in Iraq (more than died on 9/11). And the benefit to Americans was ????

And what will really blow your mind is that I opposed Viet Nam from the start, yet initially supported the war in Iraq until we all found out how our President had lied about WMD.

Ain't that a kick in the head?

Yes, it's very simple math.......... very, very basic stuff at least for me, but that cluttered and busy mind of the wrong headed liberal always gets things wrong. Don't you see that you are actually verifying my point here? You look at some very basic numbers and come up with a completely wrong headed deduction.

I'll give you a couple of well documented instances where very smart, well informed people got stuck with abhorrent decisions............all of which smart conservative thinking made us in the "wise" camp decide very differently and we avoided these recent traps.

In 1999 all the young "smart investors" said the market dynamics were different this time with the tech bubble......that 200:1 P/E ratios didn't matter...........turns out of course that it did. I avoided huge losses by bailing before it got too crazy.

In 2005 every "smart investor" said that RE had never gone down in value, because nobody had figured out a way to make more land, so houses would continue to inflate till the average value reached $500-1 million in the USA.........I actually read this several times. I started dumping properties in 2005 figuring it was once again easy to see that the simple math numbers of the cost to salary equation for RE prices made no sense. I made a ton of money.

So how did you do in those two gigantic bubbles Mr. Smart Stuff? My guess is that you got caught a bit in the turmoil because you never process numbers correctly......or am I wrong?

This is why I write here, not because I want to prove myself so much wiser than you Mr. liberal, I already know I am. I want you young people to make wiser decisions so the younger ones in my family and everyone else can have a more secure future. And trust me, electing liberal, free spending clueless Obama types is not good for you in the long run. It may take several decades for all the damage Obama has done to manifest itself, so I am not afraid for my future, it is the young ones that I really worry about.

What else would we expect from you than SIMPLE arithmetic or SIMPLE anything else?

I've often suspected your name is Simon and not Simon Templar.

Roger and out.

(You should be old enough to get that one too; in fact you're certainly 'moore' than old enough).

Well whattaUknow, looks like a bunch of you guy's were going at it pretty good since I last dropped by. I'm the Buick guy and my last post (3/13/2013) was about the fantastic lifetime gift tax exemption, allowed by the Dem's who passed the fiscal cliff package and who are in control of Washington right now. So Mr. Liberal, all the postings in between are from my fellow conservatives "having my back" so to speak.........at least the postings that go against everything you libs believe in.

It's been a very, very busy time for me recently as I have a lot of business to take care of, and I must re-iterate what a fantastic, fortunate opportunity it has become for me, for you young guy's to have elected this president at this precise moment in history. I am so, very fortunate that we conservatives lost the executive branch election this go round, so thank you guys! You see, even us old grumpy conservatives can see the good in a very liberal Democratic president when it benefits us so mightily. You defend, brag, excuse, glorify and put up on a pedestal this "great" leader, and OK for once I'll give it too you. Still doesn't mean I would have voted otherwise if I knew what was going to transpire, because I would still vote my conscience, and always have. So I just want to thank you guy's for forcing the Democrats upon us wealthier old guys because it was for our own good. Too bad it is going to be worse for you younger guy's but I will have no guilt because I voted my conscience.

By the way, the deficit quoted by the president does not include Medical, Medicaid, public sector pension, or SS obligations. If these were to be included, the deficit figures would not be approx. $20 trillion by the end of Obama's tenure but more like $100-200+ trillion by the best estimates from qualified economists..........go look it up. Still think we are not headed off a cliff? Maybe not in my lifetime, thank god, but sooner or later we will go off the end. It's simple arithmetic.

OK. That makes sense. You should run for office.

To whoever oppose death penalty, please put a tag on your back "if you commit crime on me or my family, You will not be charged with death penalty"

Then it's fair to people sho support death penalty.

to anonymous, can you give me points that can be found on the book by Vivek Sood that you find interesting? You said that this book - entitled 5-STAR BUSINESS NETWORKS on Goodreads is connected to this article, which is somehow true but can you give more insights on that? truth is I went to Goodreads and put this on my reading list one since I am keen on learning more about economics, finance and modern commerce.

-Brutus Lynch

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OK. I just signed up for weight watchers.

Lighten up guy ...

Hopeless
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Women belong in the kitchen and bedroom.

Of course, I'm the boss in my house -- and I have my wife's permission to say so!
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Congratulations. You have just reached a new plateau when it comes to stereotyping people. The possibility of any variation within a group does not seem to occur to you and people with that kind of mentality should not be running governments.

"We want equality between sex, and don't want to be treated as objects. To do so, we will show our tits!"
Logic level: woman

Ignoring the ignorant 'socialism' label, it does seem to me that Americans are the most intolerant of systems that other cultures have developed, and are often quite free to change if they wanted to imitate America, but have chosen what they have and have made their system work for them. Yes, you can point to Greece, Italy, Spain, and now Cyprus (if you can find it on a map), and they can point at Detroit and Stockton and a fairly dysfunctional national government but those are diversions from the fact that many countries have somewhat different ways of governing that work well for them. Given the diversity in cultures among nations, it is somewhat arrogant to believe that one and only one system works best for everyone. Such attitudes also happen to violate the Ten Commandments as well.

oh and Euro socialism works so well!! lol

You make some valid points, but you seem to not recognize American contribution to technology that goes back over 200 years. We could start with Benjamin Franklin and his observations on energy, development of the Franklin stove, and bifocal eyeglasses, all of which would be considered technological advances in his day. Move on to Eli Whitney who not only invented the cotton gin, but developed the concept of interchangeable parts. I can move on to the invention of the telegraph, telephone, the light bulb and many other Thomas Edison inventions. Add in more modern advances such as home appliances, the Ford assembly line, television, much of computers, the internet, did I forget people like Bill Gates and Steve Jobs, companies like Intel. Even in the diagnostics business I could list inventors like Arnold Beckman, Leonard Skeggs, Wally Coulter, etc. (Look them up if you don't know who they are).

I would submit to you that America has more than its share of technological invention and development. Remember that it takes both to accomplish a true advance (think beta-Max as a technology that never made it ... or 8-track tape players). Much of what makes America great is its free wheeling, think out of the box, individualistic culture which is a magnificent incubator for innovation. Unfortunately, to some extent, it is this same mentality that causes much of our internal conflict and inability to solve our problems until we reach a crisis, in which case, we have historically done very well and, often led the world.

America is going through some difficult times both economically and in terms of getting along with one another. However, despite our problems it would be an huge mistake to underestimate our resilience and ability to innovate. America is truly the poster child for the old adage that necessity is the mother of invention.

Not trying to insult you, but the United States never was the world leader in tech innovation, that is just something you heard to many times by people that didn't know anything outside of the USA.
At the end of WWII, you as a country took a leap forward of something like 10 to 15 years and that is something the modern US tech is based on and that tech came from Germany.
I stayed once in Minnesota USA for a while and when I arrived, I thought I was in a developing nation, not the country I thought I was.
You as a nation are years behind and the main reason is greed, everything you do is motivated by profit, not the betterment of mankind, even your healthcare is a business.

Sorry. You will just have to have some patience. Even should the worst happen, you misunderestimate the resiliance of Americans and the American system. It has always operated best when faced with real challenges. It rarely responds to threats of disaster, but responses quite well when disasters occur. And since we've been hearing predictions of disaster since like forever, I'm not too worried. I'm well invested in companies that manufacture ulcer medications.