Well, you are half right. It is a fact, but when you listen to the right wing, it also seems very deniable.

There was more to George W. Bush that just two unpaid wars.

There was an unpaid for Medicare Drug plan estimated to cost several trillion dollars. More debt and a windfall in profits for drug companies since Republicans refuse to all the American government to negotiate drug prices like every other country does. In effect, the US has to subsidize drug costs for most other developed countries. And this, from the same people who scream bloody murder about socialism.

And let's not forget the Bush tax cuts that added trillions to the deficit and with which Obama and the nation has had to live with for the past 4 years as well. I don't know how Republicans keep the books, but when you cut revenues, you increase debt.

Republicans are good at one thing, at least. Sloganeering and propagandizing. You are right. Repeat the lie over and over again and it becomes the truth (I believe it was Josef Stalin who first used this phrase). Republicans seem to think that the American public is a bunch of Manchurian Candidates. They need to re-check the results of the last election which they lost on every front, nationally. Even Democratic candidates for the House collected more total votes than Republican candidates; the Republican majority is simply a result of gerrymandering designed to override the one-man, one-vote mandate of our government (the same issue that, ironically, was the basis for the SCOTUS Bush v. Gore decision).

It is little wonder that current polls show an huge difference in the President's approval rating and the approval rating of Republicans. But then again, Republicans don't believe polls and are even trying to find ways to 'not believe' the results of the 2012 elections. Sometimes you just gotta wonder what these (old white) guys are smoking.

"Obama Fed deficit (yes, I only mention Obama because he has created far, far more of it in such an incredibly short time, than all of the rest of the presidents put together) "

Once again, republican revisionist history. If you say it enough times eventually someone will believe it. If you say it even more times you eventually believe it yourself.
What obama created was a way out of the staggering debt left by an incredibly inept president including near economic collapse and two wars paid for with credit cards. That is an undeniable fact.

Thank you, chicken little.

The bird brain mentality strikes again.

Go to Yahoo Finance, click The Daily Ticker and read " America should declare bankruptcy" by Doug Casey

I know liberals think the Obama Fed deficit (yes, I only mention Obama because he has created far, far more of it in such an incredibly short time, than all of the rest of the presidents put together) is just big, but not a fatal incumbrance, so I want you all to listen to this video. This is not some right wing wacko, but an big time investor who is laying out the facts to us straight.......and it is even worse than I thought it to be. So you are calling me alarmist? How about the real, total, 100% accounting for all entitlements, legacy costs and deficits actually being closer to 100 trillion??!!! And you liberals really think we are actually going to pay this off??? The numbers do not make sense at the reported 16+ trillion deficit, but if it is anywhere near 100 trillion, the game is already over. The only question is, when does it actually come crashing down? Not in my lifetime, but probably soon after.

http://finance.yahoo.com/blogs/daily-ticker/america-declare-bankruptcy-d...

Tarrytown is feeling very left out right now. No rumours to report, no anticipated closing, no ego's to bolster here.

Pity !

What is happening at Siemens, Tarrytown ?

Very true. That's a statistically proven fact.

Well, the old ones that appear thin and OK on the outside are ususlly frucked up on the inside!

Except for those of us who know that the body is the temple that our mind and soul occupy, and have learned to keep and maintain our bodies.

Old Farts have lumps, bellies and are hairy too.

Only when they come from those afflicted with hemorrhoids.

do Farts have lumps?

The attention starved Buick guy back again for a reprieve from the drudgery (I do find the liberal guy entertaining).

After observing many kinds of people serving in small business environments, not just my own, I have some generalities that I would like to share. But first we have to eliminate the criminal factor from each of these groups and let the non-criminal good people from each establish how each group generally treats employment.

Hard working, with integrity on tough jobs;

Hispanics, Asians, some White folk but admittedly a smaller fraction of us, those from the Middle East, Blacks from Jamaica.

Lazy, unreliable with an entitlement mentallity;

American Blacks, Jews (they seem to prefer pencil pushing and never do the hard lifting jobs), American Whites a good proportion of us, any color Viet Nam vet.

If it sounds like I'm bagging mostly Americans, you would be correct. That's just my life experience and I could be dead wrong.........but I wouldn't bet on it. If you ever have run a business that requires hard labor you would agree with me. When was the last time the group that laid out your patio concrete was composed mostly of Jews, American Whites, or American Blacks? I'll bet everything I own that you could not find a single group of guys that do this tough work, that are entirely composed of these groups and have done it for many, many years. Most are Hispanics.

Does this sound racist? Yeah, it's arguably racist against both Blacks and Whites, so how does this shake up in your head?

STOP FEEDING THE BEAST. HE JUST WANTS ATTENTION. LET HIM STARVE.

"Remember this country was created equal for all rich white males."

Yes it was, but it has changed considerably over the years, where even a "black man" can become president. Amazing how our constitution works.

it's always easier said than done.

"Don't let the brothers find out where you live or you may finally get everything that you deserve"

This why look at you and are afraid. Why even twist what was posted into something so vile? Must take a lot of talent.

Noooo, it was not a post evoking a tilt towards slavery, that is just your interpretation of the words......there is taht word again. The purpose of the post was to indicate that to founding fathers were nowhere near the liberal bent that you guys read into what they wrote. My point was that the liberals have just taken things to far. no one and certainly not me wishes slavery on anyone.

Eureka !!!!!

DON'T FEED THE BEAST.

Remember this country was created equal for all rich white males.

Yes; Slavery was legal when our country was formed. But the constitution was not the rules of a dictatorship. The injustice was eventually changed do the foresight of those who wrote the constitution.

Ummm,Buick guy. It looks like you are actually trying to justify slavery. We knew you wanted to take the country back, but 150 years back? You must be part of the ultra-right wing of the Tea Party or as 'you people' were called in the old days, the lunatic fringe.

Don't let the brothers find out where you live or you may finally get everything that you deserve. And it would serve you right. It might be one of the best uses of black ops ever (another creation of one of our Founding Fathers that you probably never knew about because you don't read or know anything).

Your favorite producer, Michael Moore, should do a movie just about you: Sicko II.

Thank goodness you are old and will be dying off soon. America has no use for disgusting people like you.

The Founding Fathers were humans, not Gods. Yes, they owned slaves. Does that justify your racism?

You're an evil piece of human excrement. It's as simple as that.

HAHAHAHAHA. You crazy racist. I'm the 'liberal' that you hate who posted how to get rich (or lose weight). Don't care for your delusional views on the Constitution since you've never read the whole thing, let alone any real commentary on it. You make it up as you go along, just to conform to your racist theories.

You still have no idea of how old I am or how rich. And I hope its driving you crazy ... or crazier, if that's possible.

Wallow by yourself and stay in your own little world of bigotry for surely you are not a real American.

"I got rich following two basic concepts:"

Hey, the Buick guy chiming in. It looks like I have quite a few wise old geeeesers posting here. Congrats you guys, you are well ahead of the game because you understand "the Real World". Life is not about entitlement, far action laws, affirmative action, welfare, etc., etc. Well, at least this is true for a country like the good old USA. Our founding fathers wrote that stuff they did into the Constitution, because all they knew and had experienced was English colonial rule. And unlike our liberal confused friend, this did not include all of the dumb ass stuff mentioned above. What they wanted was a free population that was allowed to fend for themselves, howerver they saw fit as long as the broke no laws, and free from government intrusion. They didn't expect equal, unbiased, 100% opportunity for anyone breathing........that is not the real world. The real world is unfair, full of nepotism, prejudiced and cruel at times........that's just the way people are and you cannot legislate against human nature and come out with a winner. What you can do is make it illegal to prevent anyone from being successful from his own efforts, just because you do not want him to be successful.......in other words prevent him from working hard and getting rewards for it. You do not need to be forced to hire these people against your will, that is your choice. And if this person you do not like is an honest hard working guy, YOU WILL LOSE because you are missing out on a great opportunity to benefit from his hard work.......even if you do not like him.

So the liberal guy is foaming at the mouth now about how wrong my take is on what the founding fathers really wanted..........oh really?

So Mr. liberal, the buffoon, you want some sort of "proof"?

Well, the founding fathers did not abolish slavery, and in fact they ALL HAD MANY, MANY SLAVES FOR A LONG TIME after this country declared its independence, so don't go screaming about how much liberalism these guys were full of. All that liberalism got its start only after the 1960's so go ahead fella, do your history study like you scream at me to do. This country was founded on opportunity, not complete god fearing equality, that can never be realized in the real world.

Need more "proof"? Just how many families with multiple children do you know of where one particular child is treated much better than the other's? It is virtually EVERY FAMILY, because we all have our prejudices and preferences and the better looking kid, the smarter kid, the perceived "Golden child" will be given more opportunity and favoritism. And we do this unconsciously because it is human nature. What we all need to do is forget this "unfairnes notion" because as long as government does not prevent us from doing so (as in socialism) we can still all get ahead and be wealthy simply by making the wise choices and working very hard. You do not need the government to force emplyers to pay you what they do not want to pay you.......just don't work for the cheap bastard! Go find a better way to make a living. When noone will work for the bastard, he will start paying more.

If you're rich enough that your tax rate just went up, then you are rich enough to afford an escort.

If you're not rich enough to afford the tax rate increase, then you are not rich enough to afford my rates as a companion.

I got rich following two basic concepts:

1. Charge the most you can for your services and prodcts (e.g., all the traffic will bear); your customers are not your friends. It is just business.

2. Live, at all times, just slightly below your means. It sounds very un-American (no borrowing for personal 'needs'), but it is the only way to accumulate wealth. And it is guaranteed to work ! (So much for CNBC, Jim Cramer and Suze Orman and the rest of the popular financial experts). No matter what your economic status, when you live below your means, you always have a bit of extra money which is what being rich is all about.

3. Added bonus: The same basic recipe works for overweight people and is guaranteed to help them lose weight: Burn more calories that you take in and continue to eat a balanced diet. That should put all the weight doctors, diet kings, and fat farms out of business.

so either way, you're not satisfied, just like my 2nd lover.

Whining. No; us conservatives are complaining about having to carry people who refuse to help themselves. We have no problem helping those who are truly in need. But paying for Obama-phones and seeing people use food stamps to purchase cigarettes and beer really riles us.

I guess the above statement will classify me as a bigot. So be it.

"Is there something about the above statement that you cannot comprehend? "

Look sweetie, I just want to talk. I am just a lonely old man. Can you please have some heart? You are all I have in this big, cruel, liberal world.

How many more times must I tell you that I will not discuss anything of substance with a racist bigot who I have now determined to be delusional as well.

Is there something about the above statement that you cannot comprehend?

Given your previous behavior I am sure that you will know that you are correct. Given your previous track record in drawing conclusions, you'll still be batting 1.000.

Well I waited long enough. So you will not answer the question, all Americans deserve, demand, expect equal treatment in things concerning taxes, employment, education, health care, oportunity, wealth, salaries, benefits, entiltlements, etc., etc. correct?

Just asking to clarify your position.

"I don't need to spend all day here whining and blaming others for my business problems"

yes you do

Yes you are.

okay. no, you don't

1. I don't whine here.
2. I don't complain here.
3. I don't have any business problems to begin with.

Now and then I post an item in the news which usually evokes some tirade on your part. And finally, you admitted what I have long suspected. Your primary motivation is driven by your bigotry and racistm. And that attempt to somehow justify yourself by saying you're not the only one .... c'mon now. You're just saying it's to be the pot because the kettle is black too (what an appropriate example in your case, eh?).

You come here and complain about everything and no matter what it is, you blame it on the liberals. You rant and rave about stuff and make no sense at times. You are the racist, the bigot, and delusional paranoid. If you are the same person when you try to run your business, then your biggest problem is not taxes or regulations. It's your irrationality. Try to hang in there and not go over the edge. You sound like you have the potential to become dangerous.

"I don't need to spend all day here whining and blaming others for my business problems"

yes you do

There you go again with your stupid assumptions. Now you assume I have a government job when, in fact, I work for no man but myself. My business is successful enough that I don't need to spend all day here whining and blaming others for my business problems. I make it work within the rules that exist rather than dreaming about the rules as I'd like them to be.

You really are a worthless creature, aren't you? Won't take a shred of responsibility for your life, your business, or your success (or lack, thereof). You just blame everyone else for your own failures.

My heart bleeds warm tomato juice for you !! You have no one to blame but your sorry self.

"You can also stop whining about how hard it is to run a business. Perhaps if you paid attention to your business instead of wasting your time here, you might be more successful. "

I suggest that whoever posted the above statement, start his own business instead of having a "safe" government job. Remember, it is the private sector which pays the salaries for the public service employees

Pure rationalization won't work. You are what you are ... a racist bigot and regardless of what other do, there is no justification for you own personal ugliness. Once again, your assumptions about me are completely wrong. You are clearly against equality, clearly in opposition to what is written in the Declaration of Independence and parts of the Constitution, and, thus, are an un-American traitor to the country you profess to love.

I am who I am; not who you imagine I am. And, by your own admission, we now know who and what you are. There is no defense for your bigotry, hatred, and anti-Americanism. No one will buy you 'well, the other guy is doing it, too' excuse. That's how little children act, not adults.

In 1993 or 1994 (it was in that time frame) 800,000 Tutsi's (or is that Tootsies?) were murdered by Hutus (or is that Whootos?) in Rwanda by being hacked to death with machetes. There was barely a peep from the media regarding this atrocity, considering the magnitude of it. The crocodiles were so full that thousands of bodies floated and rotted in the rivers without being scavenged. Why such silence from the media? These were two separate ethnicities but both were Black races. How much more noise do you think there would have been if White colonists were the ones responsible? The answer is, the noise from the media would have been deafening. My point is, the media made too little of this incredible genocide, because it was a Black on Black issue. You cannot have it both ways, screaming about White on Black crimes and ignoring Black on Black crimes, White on White crimes, and Black on White crimes. This is what the media does in today's world more often than not. So are Whites a bit peeved about the current reversal of fortune? Yes, and I think you will agree this is highly unfair, given that the rate of crimes perpetrated by Blacks on whites is about 8 times greater than the opposite; go chk the statistics, I know you like them. So when you are hollering and screaming about racism and racists, you are are certainly barking up the wrong tree in many, many circumstances. You just cannot see it the other way around, exactly what you scream at us for. i'm just trying to level the biases here because you really have things whacked out in the liberal way.

Yup, correct again, the true blue blood liberal wants, correct that, demands total equality for all Americans.

Really? Is that what you are telling me, that all Americans should get, correct that again, deserve equal treatment regardless of their situation? That the people who hire, select, educate, intern, draft, invest in, etc., etc. their employees are bound to the oath that they treat everyone equally? Well that just is not possible in the real world, so try and run a successful business with that attitude and you will be a loser, all over again.

Btw it isn't Barack Obamma? I've done that misspell also. Those Muslim names are tough.

In 20 years, we are all mexicans.

1. It's Barack, not Barrack. Learn to spell.

2. I give up. I surrender. You are hopeless.

3. As MacArthur said: ............ (look it up; you have two options)

"You know so little about our history, our government, our laws and our customs and traditions"

I know that Barrack Obama was the first real president of the United States.

What a curse to put on those who are lucky enough to live outside of the United States and not have to count American extremists as their fellow countrymen.

btw: Are you counting those who are in the United States without documentation (aka illegal residents) as Americans for tonight? How can you explain that someone with the 'liberal label' that you give me, is strongly in favor of enforcing our existing immigration laws and strengthening them? Funny how my real leftist friends call me a reactionary when it comes to immigration policy. I must be doing something right to draw the ire of both left and right wing extremists.

tonigt, we are all americans

I'm not telling you anything. It would be a total waste of time. You seem to be doing just fine carryout out this argument all by yourself, first by writing what you assume to be in my head, and then answering it with your bigoted venem. It's quite pathetic, don't you think?

Eyes you have, but you see not.
Ears you have, but you hear not.
Brains you have, but ......... oops wait a second.... let me re-think that one. My bad ... I forgot my own first rule of requiring facts and data first and I see none to support the notion that you have a brain. You are nothing more than an echo chamber for the likes of Rush Limbaugh, Ann Coulter, Alex Jones and all of the other right wing extremists. The only thing you seem to add to the equation is the racism of which you actually seem proud. You have never had an original thought here (and, yes, I have presented many original and specific ideas).

You can also stop whining about how hard it is to run a business. Perhaps if you paid attention to your business instead of wasting your time here, you might be more successful. Unlike you, I can tell you from my personal experience how wonderful it can be to be successful and how it frees one from having to find scapegoats for everything. It's called self-reliance: another American characteristic with which you appear to be unfamiliar.

Sometimes I actually wonder if you are an American at all. You know so little about our history, our government, our laws and our customs and traditions. Are you an alien? Are you an undiscovered remnant from the Neanderthal period ... a genetic anomoly? Surely, you are not a Christian with either a large or small 'c'. Perhaps I should call some of my INS friends to investigate you.

Yup, correct again, the true blue blood liberal wants, correct that, demands total equality for all Americans.

Really? Is that what you are telling me, that all Americans should get, correct that again, deserve equal treatment regardless of their situation? That the people who hire, select, educate, intern, draft, invest in, etc., etc. their employees are bound to the oath that they treat everyone equally? Well that just is not possible in the real world, so try and run a successful business with that attitude and you will be a loser, all over again.

Your assumptions about me personally are idiotic. Since they come from an admitted racist, they have no meaning anyway. Your values are un-American, period and your explanations and excuses are completely self-serving. You don't believe in equality and, to me, that means you don't believe in real freedom either. You have infected the Republican Party with your anti-democratic theories and now you propose to destroy America with your bigotry and venem. And the more you post here, the more the average person will see you for what you are. Each of your posts simply discredits you more. The angrier you get, the worse you come across. You can't see that and just keep falling for my bait.

Oh, and btw, ye of thick skull ... the dog comment was an insult to you and not your precious Buick.

"If I were a dog, I wouldn't even patronize the tires of your Buick"

I just had to respond because you are so damn typical of the liberal mind set, it makes me sad actually. Where has all that liberal think gotten us?.............and specifically you. You are taking something that has truly been a big stain on the USA and the rest of the world for that matter, including native Africans who also brutalized their fellow Africans even worse than Europeans did. Or do you have such a USA centric mind set that you have no idea of what Black Africans did to their fellow Africans? And yes, that includes the period before European conquest.
You still harbor that persecution mentality, when the president of the United States is an elected Black man for Christ sakes! Nearly 1/2 of the vast white majority HAD TO VOTE FOR HIM in order for him to secure both terms. Hardly a country that is still "keeping the Black man down". All one has to do in this country, is make a very, very concerted effort at succeeding, and as long as you have average or better IQ and well learned wise (dare I say conservative?) decision making you will succeed........white, black, yellow or brown........doesn't matter, you will succeed. I have seen it happen to many times to believe anything else. Furthermore, I have seen so many, many smart, good looking, well spoken and well educated white people fail miserably no matter how many times people try to help them. They just made unwise choices. Just look at who is begging for money at the freeway off ramps....most of the ones I've seen are white people. So society is preventing these guys from succeeding? nooooo way, they are just losers, and they didn't even have a Jessie Jackson polluting their minds. They are just plain, simple losers in life, unless they are mentally ill and we should give those particular people consideration. Wake up, smell the roses, and get your nose to the grinders folks because nobody is holding you back.........except for that entitlement mentality of course.

And by the way stop denegrating my Buick, they really are quite good cars.

542B

That was pretty easy,

Buick guy