I was refering to this list;

Bush is dumb

Bush nearly collapsed the entire banking system in his 8 years in office

Bush lied about WMD

The unfunded wars he started, the tax cuts, and Medicare prescription benefits bill guarranteed a recession and broke the financial system

Republicans created most of our deficit prblems

Increased tax burdens do not increse unemployment

The rich pay no taxes

Clinton left Bush with a thriving economy

Most of the high ranking Democrats' new there were no WMD

The high cost of gasoline is because W. was tied in w/ the oil companies

That global warming is caused by civilization, is a scientifically proven fact

Then a baby yawn it is.

You are now slipping into complete incoherence. Now I can't even tell if you are being boring, but since I have no interest in deciphering whatever it is that you were trying to say, it really doesn't matter.

A somewhat novel approach though, so I will only give you a baby yawn.

you chinese hurt my feeling. please stop.

"In the meantime, just stay in your old troll hole."

Well I guess you can smell a rat pretty good. I did try and trap you a bit, so how about this; none of those things were actually true, at least not 100%. Now I know certainly, that I am going to get a response correct? After all I just KNOW that you feel 100% different.

Another relevant comment.

do you guys know jesus is a jew. wow, i mean, wow.

How's it feel to want?

You are still boring. When you respond with facts, data, and a proposal rather than your negativity, maybe you'll get a response. In the meantime, just stay in your old troll hole.

YAWN

I'd sure like to know how you feel about a few of these talking points in the previous post. Be specific.

"After months of attempting a civil discussion.................He is a bag of talking points ................."

You liberals just cannot see the obvious can you? So I will have to assume that you consider your posts both "civil" and devoid of "taking points"????!!!

Do I have to list the very, very obvious talking pts that YOU have used?

Bush is dumb

Bush nearly collapsed the entire banking system in his 8 years in office

Bush lied about WMD

The unfunded wars he started, the tax cuts, and Medicare prescription benefits bill guarranteed a recession and broke the financial system

Republicans created most of our deficit prblems

Increased tax burdens do not increse unemployment

The rich pay no taxes

Clinton left Bush with a thriving economy

Most of the high ranking Democrats' new there were no WMD

The high cost of gasoline is because W. was tied in w/ the oil companies

That global warming is caused by civilization, is a scientifically proven fact

Etc, etc.

Lets not even argue if these "facts" are valid or not. But are they talking points? I'm sure you will say they are not, but I surely beg to differ. And while not every single one was used in your posts, a great many were, and the ones you didn't, I'm sure you would have been glad to use.

Kinda like the pot calling the kettle black?

"Why don't you spend more time with your grandkids, watching sunsets, smelling roses, kissing girlfriends"

Ha, this is exactly what I plan to do very, very soon. Except maybe kissing the girlfriends, the wifie will do for me.......I married the right girl. Maybe a little golf and traveling too as I always wanted to retire to see the world w/o to much in terms of time constraints. Maybe get out of the business thing altogether too and really relax.

Well then, if you are not really that young, make sure to put in a lot of overtime for me as they tax this stuff very heavily and I still want my SS benefits. Geeeeese, as soon as I start thinking like a retired person, I start wanting more and more entitlements. I see now how the other side works; when you know you are not busting your butt everyday, you start pining for more handouts.

That's not surprising to me. A lot of people were promoted to VPs, Directors, and Managers after Siemens bought DPC. What they needed were names to fill the beautiful charts.

This is the type we have in Flanders site: Have you ever seen in your life somebody gets promoted to a director position, without experience and education? (He is from chosen people, you never see him in the company). He is the top lead of Trinidad project hahha

"So then you are an old liberal about to retire who just wants his now and screw the grandkid"

Gee, you are easy. You fell for the bait. Anyone can google song lyrics. Another snap judgment and erroneous conclusion. What a fool you are ... and boring too!!

YAWN

This thread has entered the TWILIGHT ZONE - do do do do do do do...blah blah (music theme).

Why don't you spend more time with your grandkids, watching sunsets, smelling roses, kissing girlfriends, ANYTHING where you're productive and/or enjoying what's left of your existence on this planet. CARPE DIEM!

Still wrong. Still boring.

YAWN !!!

Go for it. You can tell them that you have just taught them how to conjugate the word YAWN. Grandfathers need to pass down wisdom like this.

"if you paid attention at all you would not conclude that I am much younger than you"

So then you are an old liberal about to retire who just wants his now and screw the grandkids? So your positions have nothing to do with how great the economy will still be regardless of 20+ trillion dollars deficit that Obama will leave us with because he "prevented " a recession? Its all about what is best for you?

If this is all true then, we have litttle to argue about because I'll at least understand where you are coming from. I presumed you actually believed the dumbo we have for a president actually knew what he was doing all this time, an was doing a great job. If you are saying screw everything, do noy make my life worse and I do not care how much it costs to maintain the status quo, then I finally get you.

You should have just come out and say it, and we could have just disagreed w/o all the vitriol.

"YAWN --- YAWNIER ---- YAWNIEST"

I think this is great; I'll be using it on my grandkids.

Btw, if you paid attention at all you would not conclude that I am much younger than you. Not with all my quotes from hit songs from long ago.

Pay attention from now on. There will be severe consequences if you don't including having your knuckles rapped with a wooden ruler, being sent to the principal's office, or maybe a note about your inattentiveness in class to your parents. I don't want to have to tell you this again. (Or in today's terms: Do you have ADD or something and need to be medicated?). And it's just soooooooooo boring.

YAWN --- YAWNIER ---- YAWNIEST

"so I am still bucking" --- another misspelling that propriety would keep me from correcting?

Go back to reading to your grandchildren. You are far more suited to dealing with someone on your own level.

Nothing new again.

[[ Old trolls talking without speaking
Old trolls hearing without listening .....

"Fools", said I, "You do not know
Silence like a cancer grows
Hear my words that I might teach you
Take my arms that I might reach you"
But my words, like silent raindrops fell
And echoed
In the wells of silence ]]

Thank you, Paul. You said it much better 'all those years ago'.

As for you, old troll ... still boring after all these posts ....

YAWN !!

Sounds like Siemens Management - repeat it often enough and it becomes fact!

"nothing new in your posts as usual. Just the same old boring platitudes...."

You know, when I read with my grandkids, they never seem to get all of the info on the first pass. So what do I do? I repeat the passages several times until they can absorb it and maybe even repeat it back to me and understand the info in completeness. If they ultimately understand all the pertinent facts, they are well on their way. Eventually they will graduate to more abstract concepts, and if they understand the facts but come up with different conclusions, well I guess I will just have to accept their individuality. But if they have a different conclusion to the facts that I feel very strongly are incorrect, I will repeat my interpretation until they can defend their position with clear logic. At that point we adults have to back off and let the kids find their way. I guess with you I am at the point where the your positions do not make sense in the larger scheme of things, so I am still bucking. Short term indications of a better outcome for short sighted policies do not count.

OLD. Who cares any more? You just can't deal with Clinton's immense popularity compared to what's his name, your last guy. Fun to watch you collapse completely in the wake of your losses last month and your impending loss on the Bush tax issue. Just like a two year old who doesn't get his way, you hold your breath, and yell and scream and stomp your feet. Not only did your party lose, but you are a loser too. Age regression must be getting you.

Oh, and you are still as boring as ever. Clinton, indeed.

YAWN !!! (Oh, how I wish this site offered the option of a larger font).

Bill Clinton should have been impeached. But our gutless congress failed. Simple; Clinton committee perjury in the Paula Jones sexual harassment case. Lying under oath is a felony.

YAWN !!!!!!

Oooops. Serial adulterer? Kind sir, you must have meant Bill. Clinton indeed. He was the master!

Dipsh$ts. Is Obama w out of control spending refusing cuts, raising taxes on job creators and the middle class. Us! Republicans need to hold firm to keep Obambi to his vow to cut spending.

Go ahead and correct my spelling; it's a test.

"I can only conclude that your crystal ball ...."

You do not need to be a soothsayer to understand the deficit situation. If one only observes what is happening to Japan and Europe, one can conclude that we are indeed heading into trouble, if at least a single synapse is still functional. When you say nothing has happened, it reflects the shortsightedness of the liberal. If one falls out of an airplane at 30,000 feet, you can say the same thing for a few minutes, but I can use just one of my many functional synapsis's to conclude that things are not about to end well.

Remember 1993? When Bill Clinton wanted to raise taxes? Remember Newt Gingrinch? The serial adulterer who wasted millions in taxpayers dollars on an impeachment witch-hunt? Well, old Newt sounded just like the right wing sounds today. He went on and on with predictions of economic disaster for America if taxes were raised? History showed that Newt was completely wrong (and quite amoral as well).

What did Republicans tell us about the two Bush tax cuts, one before and one after 9/11? They said the tax cuts would create jobs, make the economy boom. That didn't work either. Strike two for right wing conservative economic theory.

Fast forward to today and they are still peddling the same old theories that they can't explain with anything about how those theories will work in practice.

How can anyone believe them with their track record? And worse, when confronted with the above history, they either twist things to make it all the fault of liberals, or just change the subject and talk about mistakes that liberals made in the past or something equally irrelevant. Just once I'd like to see them confront history honestly. Why can't they be grownups and take responsibility for their prior actions?

You sir, with minimally due respect, are just flat out wrong and a moron....Rioht wing Republicans are going to turn our beautiful nation into a plantation and company town society.

Touche !!

Wrong again about my age and just about everything else. And nothing new in your posts as usual. Just the same old boring platitudes and completely wrong assumptions. More prophecies of doom that are decades old and haven't happened yet. I can only conclude that your crystal ball has severe cataracts and that you have been blinded by contagion. Either that, or you are that fairy tale character, chicken little. Cluck cluck cluck.

Give up old troll. No one wants whatever it is you are trying to sell (anger, hatred, bigotry, ignorance, or what you see as obvious, and yet is consistently wrong).

YAWN!!!!!

What Mr. liberal fails to realize (a common theme) is that Obama IS GREAT FOR US OLDER FOLKS! And I realize this fact clearly more than himself. What he interprets as "selfish, preservation of the rich's assets" is completely wrong. If I was simply looking after my welfare--higher taxes (I won't pay it for very long), less austerity, bigger deficits, greater stimulus and keeping intact SS benefits, etc. is completely up my alley. After all, my time on earth that is left, is at best 3 decades or so. ALL of these things will make my time left here better, not worse. But Mr. liberal I am sure, is much younger, and he and my kids and there kids will be the ones to bear the load for my good fortunes. Is this fair? Hardly, and this naive liberal thinks that Obama is doing him a favor........go figure. We older folks have benefitted from an economy, while difficult at times, was nothing like I fear for the long term future. If we invested well most of us should have a pretty nice nest egg. I fear that these kinds of opportunities will be far and few between for our youngsters. So, being that most of us at least had opportunities for attaining wealth, we should not burden other generations for our governments silly largess and insolvent policies. We have the obligation to bear the load and not transfer the huge deficits down the road. If that means less SS benefits, less infrastructure spending, less job stimulus and therefore a weaker economy, so be it. After the weakness and a balancing of the budget with a resulting small deficit, the country would be possed for much greater growth and better opportunities for our young. Incedibly Mr.liberal thinks I am after further benefits to be given to my generation, even if it increases the deficit! Nooooo, we want an economy not hamstrung by deficit interest payments..............even if we have to bear the load starting today.

You sir, with all due respect, are just flat out wrong and a moron....Obama is going to turn our beautiful nation into a socialist disaster....

Why bother? It's FOX News. The name itself is an oxymoron. At least in Russia they are more honest. They call their equivalent channel the Propaganda Station of the Communist Party. FOX is clearly the propaganda wing of the extreme right. They have no credibility as a real news organization.

I guess the cry-baby is throwing another one of his boring, redundant temper tantrums. Still fighting old battles that were lost long ago. Even most Republicans realize this. ACA is here to stay; taxes are going up for about 1-2 % of Americans (who can well afford it); and the debt limit will be extended. All that the right wing can do now is to create damage to America while the inevitable happens. In old Communist Russia, people like that were called 'wreckers'.

Don't you get it yet? No one here cares about you or your whining. You get more boring every day.

YAWN !!

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2012/12/11/dems-join-in-calling-for-dela...

This will help sales of medical devices ....

Obama Care strikes !

Considering the pure nastiness of Mr. Boring's many posts, I thought the comment was moderate. Responding to him in kind would have been beneath my dignity, something about which he seems to know nothing (as is the case with just about everything else he has posted). He even goes out of his way to show his pride in not respecting education, science, facts, or data. I don't think I was being harsh at all. I simpy was saying that I won't debate him any more and I won't let him bait me any more. My time can better spent trying to teach calculus to a newborn.

Oh my......., that was pretty harsh.

YAWN !! Only obvious thing is that I will no longer respond to your nonsense. I haven't the time to try to correct your incorrect assumptions about me, lack of real information, misinterpretation of what little you know (mostly old talking points that most rational people call distortions at best and lies at worst), or any of your other nonsense here. Why bother? You have already prejudged everything and everyone and can't even respect other points of view. So get your jollies elsewhere, old troll.

YAWN !!! YAWN !!!! YAWN !!!!!

It's obvious you are not a scientist, or you would have at least acknowledged the previously mentioned benefits many scientists have devoted their lives too, in order to benefit people in the masses like you and me. I don't expect much more than acknowledgement, because I know the general public just has no clue as to the unbelievable sacrafices and talent required of those who ended up sucessful in these endevors.

I'll tell you what, you can get a bit of the difficulty of the real sciences by sitting in several Chemistry 101 lectures at your local Jr. college; I guarrantee that you will get blown away with how much difficulty is in a begining chemistry class at the local Jr college.......and this is just the first chemistry class in college. Better yet, sit in on some P Chem classes (physical chemistry) at the nearest University. These classes are a combination of physics and chemistry, and they blew me away in college.....I'll freely admit that! Now just think; out of all the thousands of grads that take P Chem very, very, very few of them will make an impact on the world like the scientists that came up with the "Holy Grail" vaccines. Makes you want to salute them now, doesn't it?

Bitter old troll. You lost the election on all fronts and you are going to lose the tax issue to some extent. You will go down as the last troll standing. The only possible explanation is that you think you can win the battle by boring everyone to death.

As for me, I'm reaching new heights on the YAWN front. Someone call Guiness Wolrd Records.

Keep on suffering, troll. I will sit back, keep on chucklin' and keep on yawning.

I'll bet you never gave a thought about the polio, smallpox, tetanus, etc, etc vaccines you have recieved thru out your life. Not a single thought about how some scientist racked his brain for years trying to figure out these "magic potions" for the betterment of mankind. Here these guy's only wanted to help humankind, no matter if ingrates like you were to benefit. So go ahesd mr. liberal, the world is yours to take with that entitlement mentality, while the rest of us on the right shake our heads at the wasted vaccines that have ended up in the many who expect a heathy disease free life, because someone else owes it to them.

You this, you that. Everyone in a neat little category in your bigoted Archie Bunker mind. You get more boring every day.

YAWN !!!!!

We scientist types absolutely KNOW we are smarter. We just are a bit uncomfortable around math whizzes, because we know that they too possess real intelligence. It does not matter that many others make far bigger salaries, ours are usually sufficient for a good life and if you will notice, scientist types drive Buicks or Prius's.......we do not care about all the flash. Do you think we are actually humbled by salesmen, athletes, entertainers, politicians.......to name a few? We shake our heads at how people like these think they are smart. Now that I have pissed a lot of you off, I can admit that I am frustrated that even a single scientist can be a liberal Democrat. But I guess sometimes even scientist types cannot see the forrest thru the trees.

You're smarter!!!

What kills me is that you scientists think that you are so smart. Granted you have higher IQ's but MBA's make more money and are dumber. So who really is smarter?

Boring !

YAWN !!!

"And since the economy is partially about politics .... "

They are indeed inextricably linked. When one eliminates one from the other, huge mistakes and incorrect assumptions will be made. In fact the politics around tax policies greatly affect business decision making. Those liberals doubting this are just blinded by the liberal group think ideologies. Those in this group are probably the great percentage of those caught up in the housing bubble.......irrational logicistics and ignorance in dealing with real world numbers. Just because someone tells you you can afford a mortgage does not make the house affordable or even a good deal for a family, depending on a whole host of important factors. But dealing with the facts and making the correct decisions are once again more "art" than pure number collecting and crunching. As for tax policies affecting decision making, the left always insist's that higher rates do not adversly affect the bottom line, or hiring rates........ just pure nonsense. Just ask retirees in Florida and Texas if the lack of state taxes had anything to do with their retirement choices.

Maybe there is a relationship between Siemens DX performance and the economy. There are many who would contend this is the case. And since the economy is partially about politics .... well, you can see how this thread evolved.